it's so simple. trade crabbe and myle for cousins. why do the blazers do it? cause we get cousins why do the kings do it? cause their front office are morons. win/win
I'm confused as to why you're "LOL" at Crabbe being the 4th highest TS% there's only one person not named Dame, or CJ, that's ahead of Crabbe. And that person, gets most of his shots while Dame and CJ are on the floor, and a lot of his other shots are put backs.... Crabbe has been shooting like shit, and getting most of his shots while Turner is on the floor.... and those are the only guys ahead of him? That makes no sense, should he be ahead of Dame or CJ? So there's one person ahead of Crabbe, not named Dame, or CJ, that's having a career year... And Crabbe has been having a horrible year.... If Crabbe played with Dame and CJ he would be 3rd highest. He would probably even be 3rd highest if he didn't start in a slump. And I'm sure that Turner starting off the year like complete shit, didn't help Crabbe.
I laughed out loud because you act like that makes him a great shooter. Did you not see what I wrote about Mason Plumlee? Crabbe is in a virtual tie in TS% with a guy who has a reputation as a terrible shooter, hasn't hit a single 3-pointer all season and is a .500 FT shooter. And this is a good thing? LOL again, Crabbe is always the victim. It's always somebody else's fault that he's underachieving. You tried to blame Stotts and his system. Now, it's Evan Turner's fault. Did you ever stop to think that maybe it's Allen Crabbe's fault that Evan Turner got off to a slow start? That maybe playing most of his minutes with a guy who is a one-dimensional shooter, who doesn't do ANYTHING else who couldn't make a shot to save his life caused Turner's play to suffer? And whoop-dee-do, Crabbe has (barely) the 4th best TS% on a team without many decent shooters. Look at the good teams in the league and look where Crabbe would rank in TS% on those teams. Only counting guys who get significant minutes, this is where Crabbe would rank in TS% on these teams: GSW - 8th SAS - 6th LAC - 7th HOU - 10th Crabbe is a slightly above average shooter who does nothing else, but is paid like a superstar. Again, I'm glad he's put together two good games in a row for the first time since October and would love to see more of the same, but talk of him starting, or trading C.J. McCollum because we have Allen Crabbe waiting in the wings is crazy talk. BNM
Crabbe is not paid like a superstar. He's paid like a 6th man, in the new TV Contract era. He's paid $6.3M less than Dame, who is a superstar.
Good for mason plumlee? Crabbes TS% is 8% lower than Currys in his first MVP year. And Crabbe has had a horrible start. I can live with that. I don't think I ever blamed the system, I just think he needs more minutes and shots. I didnt say it was Turners fault, I said it couldn't have helped. I think trading CJ, for Cousins, would be a good idea regardless of how Crabbe is playing. This Dame, and Cousins, is like the old Dame, and Aldridge, on steroids. I think a backcourt of Dame and CJ is just too shitty defensively. Is there a worse defensive backcourt in the league? If we had gotten Whiteside, it could probably work. I would rather have a starting trio of Dame, Cousins, Crabbe. Than Dame, CJ, Plumlee. Anyways, I'm really just glad that his averages are pretty much back to where they were last year. If Stotts can get him a couple more shots a game, Crabbe could be averaging like 12 points a game on like .39% from three. Neil should be able to get something for that.
OK, maybe superstar was a stretch, but he's the 31st highest paid player in the league. So, he's paid like a star. The only player making more money who is having a worse season, is Chandler Parsons, and he's been injured. Considering only regular rotation players (tossing out end of bench guys), Crabbe is 262nd in the league in PER. So, he's paid like the best No. 2 man in the league, but producing like a bad No. 8. BNM
In a year, his contract will be a common sized one for bench players. He's being paid like a 6th man.
He's producing fine for a 6th man. The alarm should stop when his production continues to improve. He started slow, his play of late is much better than his season stats show. If CJ were to miss a bunch of games, Crabbe would be a solid replacement, though the expected dropoff from elite player to bench player. For the record, the projected LT for next season is $113M or so, after the league lowered its projections. Crabbe makes $18.5/$113 = ~16%. That's 1/6th of the payroll. Dame will be making $26.2M, CJ $24M. For all the handwringing over luxury tax implications in future years, Neil has plenty of time to make trades to facilitate keeping whichever combination of players he wants that fit under the LT by then.
Crabbe and Turner are going to have an excellent second half of year, one of them probably on a different team.
LOL again, you make it sound like a 10% difference in TS% is no big deal, when actually it's the difference between being the best shooter in the league and being the 100th best. Counting only rotation players, Allen Crabbe is currently 111th in TS% That 10% difference in TS% is basically the difference between the best (GSW = .609) and worst (ORL = .501) shooting teams in the league. A 10% difference in shooting percentage is significant - VERY significant. It's a HUGE risk that could end up blowing up in our face if Cousins doesn't have his head on straight and/or we lose him for nothing to free agency. Even if we don't lose Cousins, adding him shortens our window as he's older than or current core. Of course, if Cousins does pan out and stays, our ceiling could be higher, but there is a huge risk it could backfire and we basically gave up a top 5 shooting guard for a short term rental. Which is why a Crabbe for Noel trade is so appealing. Noel is an elite defender, much better than Cousins. Obviously, Noel isn't half the offensive player Cousins is, but he wouldn't have to be. We'd still have C.J. averaging 22 ppg as our No. 2 option and Harklesss is looking more and more like a legitimate No. 3 option. In addition to his elite rim protection and pick and roll defense, adding Noel to our core actually makes us younger and extends our window. He's only 22 and already one of the best defenders in the league. He will only get better offensively, but honestly, if you get 10 or 12 ppg out of your No. 4 or No. 5 option, that's plenty, especially when it comes with elite defense. But they aren't back to where they were last year. He's playing more minutes, producing less and ALL of his shooting percentages are down. Right now, he's averaging 9.2 ppg through 21 games. He'd have to average 13.7 ppg between now and the trade deadline to pull his scoring average up to 12 ppg. Not likely, his career high is 10.2 ppg. It would be great if he was, as it would increase his trade value. And, it's not about Stotts getting him more shots. The reason Crabbe doesn't get more shots is he absolutely, positively cannot create his own shot. He's is almost totally reliant on others to create more shots for him. I don't care what system you play in, a player who can't create his own shot will always be limited in how many shots he gets. In 21 games this season, Crabbe only has a total of 5 unassisted made 2FG and exactly 1 unassisted made 3FG. He simply lacks the ability to create his own shot. That's on him, not Stotts (or Turner, or anyone else). BNM
Hmmm I question that. Whats good production from an average 6th man? Crabbe isn't close to these averages and has not been so far in his career. To be paid like a 6th man I expect 14/3/3 at the least. That puts you somewhat in the running for the award. otherwise your just another bench role player wither our first off the bench or 10th. These are his stats over the last 10 games. GP MPG FG% RPG APG BLKPG STPG PFPG PPG Games 10 25.5 .395 2.7 0.4 0.4 0.3 1.5 9.3 Not even close..... Last years stats? GP GS MIN FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OR DR REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS 81 8 26.0 3.8-8.4 .459 1.4-3.5 .394 1.2-1.4 .867 0.3 2.3 2.7 1.2 0.2 0.8 2.4 0.8 10.3 Still not close. NBA Awards: Sixth Man of the Year, full list of winners Season Player Team Points Rebounds Assists 2015-16 Jamal Crawford Los Angeles Clippers 14.2 1.8 2.3 2014-15 Louis Williams Toronto Raptors 15.5 1.9 2.1 2013-14 Jamal Crawford Los Angeles Clippers 18.6 2.3 3.2 2012-13 J.R. Smith New York Knicks 18.1 5.3 2.7 2011-12 James Harden Oklahoma City Thunder 16.8 4.1 3.7 2010-11 Lamar Odom Los Angeles Lakers 14.4 8.7 3.0 2009-10 Jamal Crawford Atlanta Hawks 18.0 2.5 3.0 2008-09 Jason Terry Dallas Mavericks 19.6 2.4 3.4 2007-08 Manu Ginobili San Antonio Spurs 19.5 4.8 4.5 2006-07 Leandro Barbosa Phoenix Suns 18.1 2.7 4.0 2005-06 Mike Miller Memphis Grizzlies 13.7 5.4 2.7 2004-05 Ben Gordon Chicago Bulls 15.1 2.6 2.0 2003-04 Antawn Jamison Dallas Mavericks 14.8 6.3 0.9 2002-03 Bobby Jackson Sacramento Kings 15.2 3.7 3.1 2001-02 Corliss Williamson Detroit Pistons 13.6 4.1 1.2 2000-01 Aaron McKie Philadelphia 76ers 11.6 4.1 5.0 1999-00 Rodney Rogers Phoenix Suns 13.8 5.5 2.1 1998-99 Darrell Armstrong Orlando Magic 13.8 3.6 6.7 1997-98 Danny Manning Phoenix Suns 13.5 5.6 2.0 1996-97 John Starks New York Knicks 13.8 2.7 2.8 1995-96 Toni Kukoc Chicago Bulls 13.1 4.0 3.5 1994-95 Anthony Mason New York Knicks 9.9 8.4 3.1 1993-94 Dell Curry Charlotte Hornets 16.3 3.2 2.7 1992-93 Clifford Robinson Portland Trail Blazers 19.1 6.6 2.2 1991-92 Detlef Schrempf Indiana Pacers 17.3 9.6 3.9 1990-91 Detlef Schrempf Indiana Pacers 16.1 8.0 3.7 1989-90 Ricky Pierce Milwaukee Bucks 23.0 2.8 2.3 1988-89 Eddie Johnson Phoenix Suns 21.5 4.4 2.3 1987-88 Roy Tarpley Dallas Mavericks 13.5 11.8 1.1 1986-87 Ricky Pierce Milwaukee Bucks 19.5 3.4 1.8 1985-86 Bill Walton Boston Celtics 7.6 6.8 2.1 1984-85 Kevin McHale Boston Celtics 19.8 9.0 1.8 1983-84 Kevin McHale Boston Celtics 18.4 7.4 1.3 1982-83 Bobby Jones Philadelphia 76ers 9.0 4.6 1.9 In order for Crabbe to win 6th man of the year award (and yes I think he is getting paid that type of money. Not 6th man, but 6th man of the year), he still needs to take a big step and he hasn't shown it thus far. Just sayin. I think he is still overpaid currently Whether he is our 6th man or not.
Taj Gibson, 6th man last year. 8.6 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 1.5 APG, 1.1 BPG $8.5M under the old TV deal. ~12% of the LT, with a cheap cheap cheap owner.
PER = 9.5 is NOT fine for a 6th man. And, he's 4th on the team in minutes played. He's producing like a bad 8th man, getting 4th man minutes and a 2nd man paycheck. And playing better lately is a TWO game occurrence. Hardly a trend. How, exactly would Crabbe be a solid replacement for C.J.? He's a worse shooter, the worst rebounder on the team and one of the worst passers. He has no handle. So, can't take any pressure off Dame the way C.J. does. He can't create for himself, or others. Honestly, in spite of his generally poor shooting, if C.J. did go down, I think starting Turner at SG would be better than staring Crabbe. Turner produces more pts/100 possessions, way more reb/100 and way more ast/100 possessions than Crabbe. He's also a better defender. Here are their per 100 possessions number: Crabbe: 16.1 pts, 4.8 reb, 2.3 ast, 0.8 stl, 0.5 blk Turner: 17.3 pts, 7.9 reb, 5.8 ast, 1.5 stl, 0.6 blk Turner can create for himself and others. Without C.J. in the line up, we'd need that as Mo and Ed/Chief also depend on others to create for them. If you add Crabbe to that, you have three guys in your starting line up that can't create their own shot. Not good. BNM
PER = 15.7 and ZERO 6th Man of the Year Votes. There were 19 players that received 6th MOY votes last season. So, by that metric, a guy with a PER = 15.7 was not in the top 19 best 6th men. Crabbe has a PER = 9.5. So, where does that place him in the 6th man hierarchy? Gibson does other things besides score (great rebounder, solid defender). Crabbe doesn't. BNM
So, now this is about me? I don't hate him. I hate the contract and wish he was producing better. If he was, we'd benefit. Either he'd be helping us win more games, or he'd be a valuable trade chip. Right now, he's neither. BNM
