It's not about hate. Its about the numbers you say are good for 6th man simply are not to others of us. 6th men are typically the third to 4th best production players on a roster and are almost always the most productive off the bench. Crabbe is neither. Not saying he wont improve, but I don't see where his game has taken any type of next step in any facet since last year and that's what we were expecting when signing him to the contract he has. The Taj Gibson inference is a joke. Sorry.
I said he gets paid like a 6th man. People don't seem to be taking into account the size of contracts in the new TV deal era. Last year, his contract would have been horrible. Next year, not bad at all. He gets played like a 6th man, too. Stotts must like his production over the alternative. If NO had let him walk, we have no idea who would have been his replacement. And no, D Leaguers with potential are not good enough. 21 games isn't that great a sample. Wasn't it like a week ago the hate posts were about his .325 3pt shooting? But at this point, we're 10-9. After 56 games last year, we were 28-28. We're going to win a high % of games at the end of the year, like last year - that's when teams that are out of it lose heart or teams are banged up or resting their stars. We're basically the same team with the addition of Turner and with Aminu out for a long stretch. I'd rather root for him to continue getting better.
Based on his production this year, it's a horrible contract, even when taking into account the new TV deal. There was a LOT of big money thrown around last summer, but Crabbe is still the 31st highest paid player in the league. Most of that big money went to guys who are starters, and as I mentioned the only player paid more than Crabbe who is having a worse season is Chandler Parson, due to injury. There isn't a single bench player in the entire league that makes more than Allen Crabbe. You mentioned Ennis Kanter. He's the 38th highest paid player in the league, but his production blows Crabbe away. He has a PER of 24.2 (Crabbe = 9.5), a TS% of .610, is one of the best offensive rebounders in the game with a WS/48 of .207 (Crabbe = 0.040). He scores 32.2 points per 100 possessions, exactly twice Crabbe's 16.1. He should have won 6th man of the year award last season. BNM
There are a lot of guys way underpaid because they signed their contracts before last summer. Crabbe benefited by being a starting caliber player with potential upside in the first year of a massive hike in the cap and LT. Yes, starting caliber. He'd be starting at SG if we let him walk. Or trade him to a team like Philly. Like I said, people are not taking into consideration NEXT season's payroll sizes. If we didn't have Crabbe, we'd be playing someone probably worse. There weren't better players beating down the door to sign with us. It would have saved some salary, but what's the point in not spending up to the LT if you can? I would much rather have Crabbe than have spent the money on Mosgov. Or DHoward. Or Deng. Or many others.
No, PER considered. Kanter's getting that max deal because he's a hyper-efficient scorer/rebounder in those 19mpg.
But I heard there is a potential regression of almost 2% by 2020 or something? I still disagree. Even with the larger contracts, Crabbe's is TOO large. Also, just because you happen to start in this league, does not mean you are a qualified starter, it may mean the team you are on just lacks options. Currently, based on production from past 6th men vs Crabbe, and past contracts for 6th men vs Crabbe's and then other current contracts given to role players, Crabbe was over paid. Until he puts up CONSISTENT 6th man type numbers, he will continue to be an over[paid contract player.
You compared him with hall of famers. 29 teams failed to have a 6th man as good in each of those seasons.
Kanter's contract was outrageous in last year's salary structure. Max contract, like you pay your 2nd best player. Not a 20 MPG guy.
PER was just one of the stats I listed. Kanter scores nearly 50% more points (13.0 ppg) in his 19 MPG than Crabbe does (9.2 ppg) in his 28 MPG. Kanter is so much more efficient it's insane. And don't try to play the Crabbe is a better defender nonsense. Total myth. He has the worst DRtg (116) on one of the worst defensive teams in the league. Kanter may not be known for his defense, but his DRtg of 102 sure looks a lot better than Crabbe's 116. BNM
We've caused a couple teams to overpay to keep a free agent....guess it was our turn but Denny is right....the new salary structures seem insane now but considering the new CBA it's not big money...baseball pays closers who only throw 30 or 40 pitches every few games small fortunes. Crabbe has time to redeem his value but he better jump start it soon because he's the new Nic Batum around here these days
Good thing the seasons not over. And there are a lot of people that can't create their own shot, so it's definitely on Stotts... Kyle Korver, Danny green, JJ reddick... And before you go off on a long rant about how "Crabbe just doesn't deserve to get those shots, because he doesn't shoot as well as them" I don't care. Crabbe can shoot 40% from three if given the opportunity. He's played some of the worst games of his life so far this season, and he's pretty much shooting 39% from 3.
He'd only be starting for one of the worst teams in the league - PHI or BRK. Really, you don't think Dwight would have helped our interior defense and rebounding - two of our most glaring weaknesses? He's leading the league in both ORB% and TRB% and is 4th in DRtg. He would be a huge upgrade over any big man we have on our roster. BNM
All three of those guys are starters and only one of them (Redick) gets more shots than Crabbe. Two of them also happen to be two of the best 3-point shooters of the last 15 years. Redick is so much more efficient than Crabbe it's was ridiculous. As was Korver in his prime. BNM
You should probably look at defensive stats and rebounding, too. What problems has Dwight caused in ATL? You don't think pairing him with a strong leader like Dame would help? BNM
No, I don't think pairing him with anyone will help. The guy screwed over the L*kers, demanded to be THE man, and was unwanted in Houston after a while. Atlanta is imploding right now. Lost 6 in a row and 9 of 10.
What's your point? Crabbe is a good 3 point shooter. It doesn't matter if some other people are better. The guy can fucking shoot.
