CIA: Russia influenced the election

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  1. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    No we don't. Are you suggesting that the U.S. is somehow special or different from any other great power in history? Love it or hate it, this is what empires do and it's nothing new for us: The Spanish American War, the toppling of Mosaddegh in 1953, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, and probably a thousand other things that are still classified and kept from us.
     
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  2. Denny Crane

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    Not saying that at all.

    But don't be surprised if foreign governments reciprocate in kind.

    I am not even upset by it. We're supposed to be a free and open society, not like the DNC.
     
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    I don't think you get it. We have already done innumerable horrible things around the world. We are already due, a different plan going forward doesn't change that.
     
  4. MarAzul

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    >> Sure it does.

    No, errors will fade in time, especially if you leave no opportunity for redress.
     
  5. Denny Crane

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    It won't change things right away, but it is a start and it is the right thing to do.

    Or else, accept that everyone does it and don't complain about it.
     
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    Did I miss something, or is Russia supposed to have done something more than just leak a bunch of true emails from the Dems?
     
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  13. Denny Crane

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    Armed with the truth, the voters rejected Clinton. Get over it.

    She had virtually all of the media on her side, digging through any and all public and private records available. They released every negative bit of dirt to be found, even waiting for the best timing to help Clinton.

    The voters rejected Clinton, and the media, too.

    https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07...omeland-security-and-office-director-national

    Joint Statement from the Department Of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security
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    October 7, 2016

    The USIC and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) assess that it would be extremely difficult for someone, including a nation-state actor, to alter actual ballot counts or election results by cyber attack or intrusion. This assessment is based on the decentralized nature of our election system in this country and the number of protections state and local election officials have in place. States ensure that voting machines are not connected to the Internet, and there are numerous checks and balances as well as extensive oversight at multiple levels built into our election process.
     
  14. riverman

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    actually the voters rejected Trump by over 2 million votes but the electoral college definitely rejected Clinton
     
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  15. Denny Crane

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    They rejected Clinton most everywhere but California. Especially in her "blue wall."

    The popular vote BS is like saying the team that scores the most baskets in the Finals wins the series. Though it could have been 4-1 with the lone loss a blowout.
     
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    There's a real point of contention with this system....my point was that voters voted for her and more than not....the electoral college is the way it is, but doesn't reflect the fact that more individuals actually didn't vote for Trump.....I thought you were a fact guy? I'm sure not calling Americans losers because of their vote...I accept the result ..what I want now is for all americans to stop talking from behind political walls and start showing a sense of cooperation moving forward. You and I voted for Gary Johnson.....so actually..we're losers too
     
  17. Denny Crane

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    http://www.factcheck.org/2016/12/clinton-counties/

    • Donald Trump won an overwhelming 7.5 million popular vote victory in 3,084 of the country’s 3,141 counties or county equivalents in America’s heartland.
    • Hillary Clinton, in contrast, had an 8.2 million vote margin in a narrow band of 52 coastal counties and five ‘county equivalent’ cities stretching from San Diego to Seattle on the West Coast and Northern Virginia to Boston on the East Coast.
    • “The Associated Press finds that Clinton won 487 counties nationwide, compared with 2,626 for President-elect Donald Trump
    She might have won the mayoral race in LA, if she ran.
     
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  18. Denny Crane

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    There is no real point of contention. Both candidates knew the rules. Clinton had twice the money, virtually the entire media, and a sitting president. She lost.

    You don't change the rules after the fact.

    Your change would be like making it so the team with the most overall points wins the finals.

    If it were a popular vote contest, Trump would have used a different strategy to beat her that way, too. Like spending more than no time and $0 in California.
     
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    less people voted for trump. It's a fact.
     
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    More people voted for him in the ways that mattered.
     

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