So an extreme case......ONE......where the police were called to the residence due to a domestic disturbance. Is that all you have? And what happened to Lawrence and Garner? Charges dropped? It doesn't sound to me like the police knew what they were seeing: one reported anal sex, the other oral. It would take a decent lawyer about 5 minutes to tear this case apart. I see. It all makes sense now. You have a personal grudge with the government over an inheritance. So, as a result, you nitpick and whine about everything that the government does.....oh, I'm sorry, I meant everything that a REPUBLICAN politician does......and you still vote for the same big government, corrupt assholes on the Left who you claim to hate so much. Sin of law and order ways......what an utter load of bullshit. Having respect for the law has kept me out of jail and prison, when I can point to several personal instances where, if I were a person of lesser moral character, I'd most likely be pulling a lengthy prison sentence right now. I grew up in my childhood living in a slum with two parents addicted to drugs and alcohol. If anyone here could have gone down a pitiful path in life, it would be me. My sister had a free-wheelin' lifestyle that developed into a $5,000/day heroine operation that eventually costed her both of her cars, custody of her son, loss of her apartment, and the loss of her job (as a well-to-do legal assistant, no less). Yeah, some laws are just asinine and retarded. No argument there. But if you can't follow simple laws like the rest of us day in and day out, then you get no sympathy from me when that government you claim to hate so much comes to arrest you. I've never said nobody innocent gets arrested. YOU said that in an attempt to further derail this thread and to add emotion into an argument about logic and reason. You are attempting to justify not following laws by using vague sources of innocent people incarcerated as proof that we shouldn't follow them. Fine. Okay. By that same logic, a convenience store owner in the bad part of town shouldn't let black people inside, since there is a higher likelihood that he'll be robbed, rather than a store owner in an upper-class white neighborhood. That's the logic of your reasoning. Just because a vague source tells you that innocent people have been incarcerated, does not entitle us to pick and choose what laws we want to follow. Just like a store owner cannot discriminate between who he allows inside of his store, based on an FBI crime report.
Whining about the government and using strawman arguments based on a personal grudge seems to be yours.
This, from someone who just described his personal grudge about his sister exercising what should be her freedom to use drugs. And your grudge against anyone who doesn't agree with your rules, which you call law. I don't kill and imprison people over my grudge. You do.
LMFAO, wow! Holy shit, are you serious? I have no grudge against my sister. She lost everything she had, and put her 5 year old son in danger. I don't have a grudge; she's suffered enough by her own hand. Freedom to use drugs......wow. You know, I knew you were Liberal, but that is just too much. If you think operating a heroine den out of her apartment, putting her life, her fiance's life, her neighbor's lives, and putting an innocent child's life at risk is okay because it's her "freedom to do so" (and by the way: lawfully, NOBODY has the right to put an innocent child at risk)....then I honestly don't know what to say to you. I think I'm actually at a loss for words here. Oh? Okay. Take your justifying criminal activity for selfish means and go fuck yourself.
Oh, that's good. Huh? Clearly we have different definitions of "making sense" There was I thinking that I was motivated by issues rather than personalities. Oh the lies I've been telling myself! Good job! If only you could have come out of it a happier person, but that might be asking too much. I thought it was obvious that my point was that there are plenty of people who have been arrested despite following the law. Here - you like logic, here's a useful distinction. My point was that being law-abiding was not sufficient for not being arrested. Yes, you haven't been arrested. Me neither. But that doesn't prove that that's true for everyone. If that one professor's research is anywhere close to accurate (and I've no reason to believe it isn't) then thousands of innocent people are being arrested every year. You misinterpret my point as saying that because innocent people get arrested then we shouldn't follow any laws. I don't think that at all. I think laws should be just, and fairly enforced, and we should follow them. I do happen to believe that we have a duty to resist laws that are flagrantly unjust but that just puts me in line with philosophers from Hobbes to Locke onwards. You seem to think that being "law-abiding" is what keeps a person out of jail. Well, yes, that's part of it. (But it's certainly not sufficient, and it isn't even necessary if you're rich enough to get good lawyers.) And don't ignore: not encountering corrupt cops/incompetent defense lawyers/people with an interest in using your incarceration to their advantage. I really don't see how you got this from what I said.
Now you've read the case, you get it, right? The police entered on a fake complaint, and once there used a LAW ON THE BOOKS to arrest them for having "deviate sex". Nothing in the law about "in public" or "for money". Just the nature of the sex. In private. This could've happened to you. You just weren't that unlucky. But if it had, I'm sure you would've said "it's a fair cop! My fault for not following the law."
Did she lose those things because the law took them when it busted her? How much of her losses were due to the illegality of drugs? As for your embellished "putting someone at risk"--I notice that you're not claiming that person was hurt. You are attempting to justify evil laws by using vague sources of troubled people (yourself and your sister), as proof that we should follow them, because you think evil laws hold the moral high ground. Take your justifying evil laws for selfish motives (you would have been busted if you hadn't followed them--well duh, that doesn't justify them).
I wasn't talking to you, but I think you know that. I think you just enjoy playing a troll. Yep.....you definitely enjoy playing a troll. We're not talking about traffic tickets here, and I don't subscribe to the Leftist-made boogyman that every cop is out there looking for innocent people to arrest. Bullshit. Don't associate in bad areas or places, don't associate with questionable people, don't do drugs, don't draw attention to yourself, and obey the law. It's not hard to do. It REALLY isn't. Hell, I'm willing to bet probably 99% of the people who have ever signed up on this forum have managed to go through life by obeying the law and not having a negative encounter with the police outside of a questionable speeding ticket. You've never been arrested, I've never been arrested.....why is this so hard for those few people in our society to accomplish? Agreed. So do I. By writing to our politicians, campaigning, starting legal appeals, and fighting in court. Not by resisting arrest, soliciting sex in a public bathroom, fighting with the police, or rioting. So we agree on that. I assume. It works for tens of millions of people across this country every day. In fact, it works for MOST of our population. Oh really? Tell that to Madoff, Martha Stewart, Tom Delay (avoided prison but still saw jail time and was still convicted of felony crimes), and numerous other people this past decade who have gone to prison (Ethan Couch's dad just went to prison as well). I will give you that it is perhaps easier to avoid prison if you're rich, but crime is crime, and punishment is punishment. When that judge bangs his/hers gavel, you just become another inmate; regardless of how much cash you have. I agree with you on these two issues: there are way too many incompetent defense lawyers out there, and too many prosecutors with axes to grind and political dreams to aspire to. Like Marilyn Mosby.
Your moral justification for evil laws and practices of the legal system is that you'll bash my head if I don't obey you--why is that so hard for me to accept? "It's not hard to do. It REALLY isn't." Well, I guess you hold the moral high ground with that commandment. It's easy to be evil, so why don't we just shut up and be evil?
Yes and no. She was never arrested, but both sides of the family went to court to halt several things; custody of her son being one of them. Well.....if she hadn't dealt in a substance which was illegal........... If you want to get technical about it (because I know you're still trying to justify this), then you could say that addiction led to her to destroy a very nice life. Addiction to an ILLEGAL substance. Holy shit. So hold on....you think inviting addicts, criminals, and strangers (many of whom were illegally armed as well....something which she's actually told me) into your apartment for felony drug use and sales is a safe and productive environment for a child to live in? Surely you cannot possibly be that stupid. Surely. Come on now. As for being harmed: the kid is a complete fuck up today because he has no stable parents. He's obese and depressed. The family that raises him (his father's side) are a bunch of morons and, while they are good people at heart who are law-abiding, God-fearing people, they're also not very bright, and have kids of their own to raise (and they just divorced on top of it). And they aren't his parents, which is what he's really missing. So yes, I would say drugs definitely harmed him. If you can't see the correlation (I'm betting you won't...), then you're a moron. Oh yeah....laws are SO terrible. SO evil. If California had followed its fucking laws, instead of being a bunch of Liberal pussies, 33 people would still be alive: http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/05/us/oakland-fire-investigation/ If they had followed Federal law and arrested the Illegal Alien instead of sheltering him, an innocent woman would still be alive: http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/03/us/san-francisco-killing-suspect-immigrant-deported/ Kinda hard to hate the laws and call them evil when they aren't enforced because of people like you.
33 people would be alive, but 80 million who have been in jail or prison for drug charges would now be employable. In order to save your tiny numbers, you destroy the lives of 1/3 of all American men, who have been in jail. FBI statistics several years ago said that 20-30 million Americans have done time for LSD. 80 million for any drug offense. It's more now. Now you try to justify laws prohibiting sex. And that justification is...(wait for it)...it's easy to obey the laws! Most people do, so it must be right! Well, almost half of all men in Michigan are felons. It doesn't seem to be as easy as you claim. What's easy is to get a high-paying job to be a bully. You probably think I mean only police, but there are as many lawyers as police, with plenty of staff. Their power greatly exceeds their IQs. You probably think it has to be this way, but this is only a recent phenomenon. And the high numbers in prison are peculiar to America.
I have no reason to doubt your numbers. It's unfortunate that addiction to drugs causes many to turn to crime to support their habits. What exactly am I missing here? You think that if we legalize LSD, Heroine, Cocaine, and other hard-core drugs, that it will stop addicts and drug dealers from committing crimes against others to support their habits or sales? Surely you're not that stupid.
Few of those drug users were addicts. You will find any excuse to take power from the individual and hand it to the state, won't you. You have no belief in freedom. Edit: I need to start matching the insults you make every single time. So here goes. Surely you're not that stupid.
That's the dumbest thing you've said yet. What proof do you have that few of those people were addicts? And it's not an insult to ask if you're stupid or not. I'm giving you an opportunity to prove to me that you're not. So far.....you've failed miserably.
Whatever lifestyle they chose, what makes you the arbiter of morals? Is it your superior intelligence, or just your moral high ground of shooting people who resist you? Gotcha. Any law which is enforced is a virtuous law. By definition of the word "enforced" it can't be bad.
