How did we get so bad?

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Binx, Dec 24, 2016.

  1. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    That's exactly what happens, but that's life in the NBA for all players; it's part of the grind.
     
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  2. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

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    My other theory:
    The only way for a small market team to get good is through the draft. San Antonio is the clear example and they got David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili through the draft. Small market teams can't attract free agents (except once they've become good - like the Spurs) so they can't do a Boston or a Lakers or a Heat. And if you're going to get a good player in a trade, then you have to have assets, and the only way you're going to acquire assets is through the draft.

    Olshey is an average drafter, and in fact tends to trade draft picks as assets. But it is notable that our two good players were acquired through the draft. (And even then, while CJ is probably a top 5 player from his draft, it's still not a ringing endorsement of Olshey because there are two players clearly much better than CJ who were drafted after him and who filled more of a position of need (Gobert and Antetokounmpo)). Maybe our path to improvement starts with really spending to get a top-notch scouting system? Utah, San Antonio and OKC would be good organizations to poach from.
     
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    No more keyboard over your head.....have to say...improvement is noticeable! Merry Gestalt String Theory Day my friend!
     
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  4. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Whoa, someone got some killer pain pills for Christmas.
     
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  5. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Olshey is an average drafter? He got top 2 on their draft class players at 6 and 10. He got Crabbe at 31. Will Barton was a good pick at 40. I think Layman will be a good pick at 47.
     
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    Good post. I've often felt like we haven't focused enough on our scouting department. Its something that easy to overlook because the draft is only a couple of rounds and is kind of dwarfed by free agency. The reality is so many front offices have built up working relationships with fellow employees that that have as much to do with comfort as effectiveness. In almost every sport you'll find GM's hire "their people" more on the fact that they trust and like them than overall effectiveness. And it's hard for a talent in a place like Portland because anybody that stands out will be poached just like players. Scouts prefer opportunity and the limelight just like the players do.

    I'm sure you can build a first class scouting and player development staff in Portland. But you have to overcome major hurdles like you do in attracting and keeping top players.
     
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  7. Cippy91

    Cippy91 Habitual Line Stepper

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    I also might think his minor falling off could be just the team losses. You see what happens when guys start losing, they tend to do worse. Dude was averaging 30 plus for the first 6 or 7 games. I would think he is annoyed
     
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  8. BlayZa

    BlayZa Misbehaving responsibly

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    its a mix

    people got paid, that contract year pressure is off
    we signed people that play the same position and barely start
    our front court is weak af, although plum is going good, the rest have either regressed or just always sucked.
    but mainly, its defense. we're fuckin atrocious.
     
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  9. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Stop trying to cover your considerable ass by rewriting history FAMS.

    Here's exactly what you wrote:

    You said over, and over and over again we only had one quality starter.

    You got "KILLED" because you were dead wrong.

    And while we're at it, I'm pretty sure you bet me $1000 that C.J, would not be a quality starter. Pay up FAMS before I sick Eric on you to collect my debt.

    BNM
     
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  11. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    To be fair, at the time HCP posted, we had only Dame and Hendo who'd been full time starters in their careers. Aminu had been a starter earlier in his career. Ed Davis couldn't win the starting job in LA with Carlos Boozer as his main competition. CJ was a 6PPG bench player. Mo was given a shot as starter in Orlando, but didn't win it. Plums was a backup C with the Nets.

    It's easy to downplay HCP's statements after a season where, out of necessity, we had to play at least 5 guys as starters. At the time, he wasn't alone about how bad our roster looked.

    My own assessment at the time was these nobodies could play together and win if they played defense. And that they did when they figured it out.
     
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    San Antonio uses the D league as well as any franchise...the Austin Toros are really a Spurs minor league....we don't really have that and when the Stampede was Portland's, we didn't really use it to our advantage....Quarterman and Layman should get some D league burn from time to time
     
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  13. Dougnsalem

    Dougnsalem not barf

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    I can think of quite a few of our other players that could use it too....
     
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    Dame = Starter
    CJ = Starter (just not with Dame)
    Harkless = Starter
    Plumlee = Possible Starter at PF depending on skill set of who you have at C
     
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    e_blazer Rip City Fan

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    On December 5th, the Blazers beat the Bulls on the first game of their road trip and stood at 12-10. I think that's about where most of us thought they would be at that point given that Aminu had missed so many games. Since that time, they've gone 1-9 in their last 10 games and have fallen out of the top-8 in the West for the first time this season. I don't think many of us anticipated that the Blazers would be 13-19 at Christmas.

    How'd they get so bad? Part of it is brutal scheduling. Seven of the past 10 have been on the road and two of the home games were back-to-backs. The third home game was against the second best team in the West. I can point out that the Blazers lost four of their past ten by a combined total of 6 points. If they'd won those games against the Bucks, Grizzlies, Clippers and Suns and gone 5-5 in that stretch, we'd be feeling pretty good about where the Blazers were at. But, unlike last year, where it seems like the Blazers were able to win almost every close game, this year's team has not been clutch. The other worrisome thing is how badly they were beaten by Denver, the Spurs, and especially, the Warriors.

    I think we all know the defensive shortcomings of this team. I think we know that Turner, Leonard and Crabbe haven't consistently carried the weight that they need to. I'm concerned about the team's mindset. Several games it seemed like even Dame was hanging his head. I don't know if there's a trade that will come along and help save the season, but I do know that the guys that we do have need to step up and make things happen on the court. Come ready to play every game. Make that extra effort to get a stop, grab those 50-50 balls, steal a pass. As constructed, I don't think this team is a serious challenge to get out of the first round, but I do think that they can get back to winning and make the playoffs. If they're going to do that, they can't piss away the winnable games on their schedule. It needs to start tonight.
     
  16. BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94

    BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 AWOL

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    We just really lack any ability to make key stops, we don't force turnovers.

    Watching teams like the Cavs and Warriors last night just shows we aren't trying hard enough down the stretch to get every basket, loose ball, or even fighting through picks.
     
  17. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Sometimes it does take the detached opinion of a Laker fan to add perspective....I'll give you that!
     
  19. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    That's all irrelevant when assessing the accuracy of HCP's claim that a year ago he said we only had 2 quality starters on the roster. What he actually said is we only had one quality starter. The quotes I provided prove that.

    Of course, we didn't all agree with him at the time (because he was wrong). Here's my reply to one of his posts:

    BNM
     
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    Maybe HCP confuses stars with a rating scale...so the Blazers are either a one or two star hotel
     

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