CIA: Russia influenced the election

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  1. riverman

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    not back then there weren't....China loved us after we bombed Japan....they didn't like Russia much though...The US and Soviet Union dictated the future of nuclear arms post WWII....not the Chinese or North Koreans or Pakistanis or Indians. If they succeeded, every one of those countries would follow suit and some didn't have nukes then anyway...and might have never had them to begin with....fact is the world would have been our allies and we'd have no need for the practice of saber rattling
     
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    Now I'm off for the night....
     
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    No, China didn't like us. We killed millions of them in Korea and Vietnam. We were able to deal with China and Russia - if Russia became an aggressor, we'd partner with China to fight 'em. Same with China - we'd partner with Russia. Those two countries shared one of the longest and most militarized borders in the world.

    All the other countries would have laughed and let us fall on our sword.

    I don't think there was a serious proposal to eliminate all the nukes anyway. Reagan was just so charming that Gorby was open to exploring the idea.
     
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    And so goes history. The Soviet Union is no more. Russia is not the same thing, no sense in assuming relations should be the same. If Trump can cut a deal where we partner on something, then it should be done if there is benefit.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Wait... Obama actually doubled the national debt. That means he spent more than all presidents before him combined. That includes the Cheney Bush administration. SAD
     
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    snowball....and now Wall Street has survived as well as the banking industry, auto industry etc...he inherited two expensive wars...when elected projected the Bush Cheney mess would take 30 years to recover from and he was right....Bush bankrupted the country...Obama inherited a broken system and did a damned good job starting the cleaning up process...history will look back on his terms as actually being an era of damage control....I respect his efforts...now can we stop bleeding money from military involvements and put it into infrastructure? Let's hope so. Reagan put over half the American budget into the war machine....big mistake. Bring home the troops, there's work to do on the homefront for a change mags...and hopefully, your guy can see this
     
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    actually the Chinese love us even today...in my two trips through mainland China I found that to this day the Chinese hate the Japanese more than any country and still admire what we did in WWII......China fought the Vietnamese for 300 years....they supported Mao's line under threat of reeducation camps or worse...there's no hate for the US from the majority of Chinese people at all if you actually go there and talk to them. They are tied to the US economy and we are tied to their economy...they know this...the Chinese have a saying that the best way to gain political advantage is through business, not war. Taiwan has survived by investing heavily in China's manufacturing sector.....so much that it would devastate mainland China to attack Taiwan...they rely on the organizational skills of the Chinese.....the last thing China wants is a war with the west...it's probably best to not judge a nation by it's politicians most of the time...Chinese people would love to have freedom of speech and democracy..they just can't talk about it without fear
     
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    Today.

    Not when Nixon was president.
     
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    That's sort of like saying Afghani women don't like dancing....Mao had the whole population on a gag order....if you didn't toe the line, you'd regret it..of course the army was populated with 3rd graders and they arrested their teachers and made them weed cabbage
     
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    I agree with this 100%...
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Dershowitz is a pro-Israel hawk. Hardly an unbiased critic.
     
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    True, probably to be expected, but it hardly makes him wrong.
     
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    Hardly a trump supporter or republican. He's right about the foreign policy being a disaster, all the way around.
     
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/james-comey-hillary-clinton_us_58617933e4b0eb586486f317

    Did James Comey Cost Hillary Clinton The Election? We Asked The Late-Deciding Voters.
    The FBI director didn’t help, they say. But it’s too simple to put all the blame on him.

    The night before Election Day, Rainey kept worrying about how a President Trump might navigate a complex international standoff. He woke up wondering if Clinton was the right choice. But in the end, he voted for Trump anyway ― an uninspired, rote contribution to American democracy. ​

    “You could have put up anybody else against him,” Rainey said. “But they just picked a bad candidate.” ​

    There is little disagreement that voters like Rainey ― the “late deciders” ― were ultimately responsible for Trump’s election. But a month and a half after his victory, an argument persists over why they voted the way they did. Clinton’s defenders blame FBI Director James Comey, who opened up a new investigation into Clinton-related emails 10 days before the election, only to close it a week later. Clinton’s critics say a campaign that was outworked and outsmarted in the Rust Belt states is merely in denial.​

    In interviews with a number of late deciding voters ― found through various social media networks ― a less elegant explanation emerges. Comey was a factor for some but not others, and even then, it’s not clear how decisive his letters were. For many voters, random, often arbitrary moments from the campaign proved motivating in often unexpected ways. That Clinton left herself vulnerable to their whims is the story of the election as much as the eleventh-hour pronouncement from the FBI director.​

    “That was not the nail in the coffin,” Rainey said of Comey. “It was the throwing of gas on a fire. ... Ultimately, there was too much baggage with her.”
    :lol:

    The woman was a dumpster fire to begin with. The gasoline just kept drip drip dripping the whole election.

    Her campaign strategy was, "I'm not Trump. His crimes are worse than mine." Her track record was scary bad, not something to run on.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I agree that Obama's FP was mostly a big step backward.

    I found this discussion between Gary Kasparov and Sam Harris a lot more interesting and thoughtful (addressing Obama's policy failures and the bigger picture about what comes next).
     
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    Ok, maybe they didn't have that technology in 1931, but what about in 1941? Yeah, nice try.
     
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    We all know it was the Germans who bombed pearl harbor.

     

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