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But if Noel came with multiple picks, I'd have to think about it. Philly has 3 first round Draft picks this year and of all of them, Sacramento's is the worst pick....imagine that. Theirs, the Lakers and the Kings. Portland wouldn't get all of them but if you could get two plus having your own.....hmmm. That is a lot of leverage to do something else as well.

 

Yeah, PHI+SACorLAL picks are what make that trade interesting. If this is suppose to be a talent-heavy draft, that might be the best route to take. We need talent on cheap contracts.

 

CJ locked up for a long time is too valuable to trade for anything in this draft. Maybe if there were some elite bigs, but there are no Embiid or Cousins coming from the college ranks this year. We need to be buyers and not sellers to turn this thing around. Noel and picks puts this team back into the lottery for another 2 seasons at least if you lose CJ.

 

That's hitting a major reset button, and there's no guarantee the picks will pan out. I think if you trade into the draft when you know there's a can't miss prospect, that's one thing, but trading for picks before the order is set is a pretty big risk. CJ is a star. Dude could go to many teams and be the best player, and I think he'll be an All-Star soon. If we're going to trade him, it has to be for a comparable star.

 

I agree he is a star...and if he and Dame weren't so similar in being smaller guards that are ball dominant with little defense, we wouldn't even consider this. But since there is duplication, it is the best chance to get something back of value BECAUSE he is that good. This team is so out of balance that it has almost no chance on many nights.

Aminu had a nice stretch last season but that is looking more and more like the exception to the rule. The vast majority of his career looks much more like what we are seeing now that what we saw last season. His dribbling isn't even at a college acceptable level and you can't be a stretch '4' when your shot is as consistently bad as his is. Nice role player as a defensive asset but not as a starting PF on a quality team.

Same goes for Plumlee. Nice offensive passing center but when the rest of your team is so bad at defense, it's a spot that needs more of a protective nature to it.

 

I would trade him for a guy like Whiteside. Someone that we know could come in and make an immediate difference. Whiteside is 27 so he fits with Dame's window. Frankly though, I'm wondering if we could convince them to do Crabbe+filler for Whiteside. I want that three star lineup and I'm wondering if we could get Whiteside and someone like Wiggins. If we can't do Crabbe for Whiteside and it has to be CJ, I'd try to get Whiteside and Serge Ibaka.

 

IF we're shopping CJ we're shopping the wrong player IMO

 

CJ isn't a point guard. The best teams in the league (with the exception of San Antonio) all have All-Star point guards.

East
Cleveland - Kyrie Irving
Toronto - Kyle Lowrie
Boston - Isaiah Thomas

West
Golden State - Curry
San Antonio - ???
Houston - Harden
LAC - Paul

So out of the top 7 teams in the league, all but one have a star point guard.

 

"positions we're invented so a novice could understand the game"

- Jaylen Rose

 

Thats more so for forwards. Any great team needs a great general at the PG position in my opinion in todays game.

 

the idea that there is some archetype for how to play guard or forward is poppycock

 

You could at least spell his name right if you're going to quote him.

Maybe "positions" were invented so a novice could understand the game, but roles are absolutely vital to a team's success, and Damian Lillard is the floor general of this team. He's the distributor. CJ might be the superior overall scorer, but he's not a distributor. The only reason why this problem exists is because Dame and CJ share too many similarities.

 

"convince them" to do that Crabbe and "filler" for Whiteside? I am a POR homer and that is a horrible offer. CJ for Whiteside "straight up IMO is about as good as you are going to get

 

Not what I am saying, though I see why it seems that way. What I am saying is that regardless of positions, in today's game, a great team needs a great primary Floor General/Distributor. This is not CJ's best game.

 

I hope you're not spending too much time wondering.

A quicker way to resolve this wondering: A Miami fan suggests that they re-sign Dion Waiters to an $16M/year 4-year deal and trade him to Portland with a pick for McCollum. How interested are you? That's exactly how interested Miami would be in Crabbe and a pick for Whiteside.

 

By "filler" I mean anything on the team besides Dame and CJ.

 

Portland doesn't have anything much of value outside of Lillard and Gollum. Harkless and draft picks are about it and I don't see them cutting bait on Whiteside for Hark and a pick or two. Especially considering that Crabbe is a net negative at his salary.

 

Dion Waiters has had his shot on two other teams. Nobody wants him. He's the very definition of a journeyman at this point.

And I didn't say "Crabbe and a pick." My meaning of Crabbe+filler is literally anyone else on the team except Dame and CJ. Maybe they don't go for it, maybe they would only accept CJ, so be it. I believe Crabbe could be a very good starter in this league. So if we offered Crabbe/Harkless/(whatever) maybe that would be enough. Miami needs to rebuild and Whiteside doesn't fit their window. I'm not sure what kind of offers they're getting.

 

this made me laugh, not gunna lie Dame is a volume scorer from the one spot don't get it twisted. THATS why him and CJ got so many of those similarities. If Cj was running point he'd average just as many assists as dame this is a silly argument BOTH are score first players one is just more efficient at it.

Correct name spelling or not the sentiment holds true.

 

We might be in that same position with CJ.

For the record, I'd still like to see what these two can do under a coach with a better plan than "chuck it".