Guns Make People Safe

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  1. Rastapopoulos

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    Idaho state legislators are discussing a plan that would allow teachers and possible school level administrators to have guns in their classrooms/school. Only teachers that volunteer would be considered, and then they must complete a training class.

    One of the items being debated is if the guns should be locked up in a safe within the classroom, allow the teachers to conceal carry, or some other plan.

    The goal is to make the students safer against a mass shooter. In the past, teachers have placed themselves between the shooter and their students. Some teachers have died for their bravery. More students and teachers would be alive today if the teachers were allowed to carry a gun, and properly trained how to use it.
     
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    A kid's gonna die if that happens.
     
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    At Newtown and at Columbine there were armed guards.... yeah...
     
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    Maybe, maybe not. However, the chances of many kids dying is much greater if it does not happen.
     
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    If scores of armed Secret Service agents were already present at and securing the Pulse nightclub when the shooting occurred, then I would agree that the two are comparable. In the real world, they are not.
     
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    So you are saying 1 or 2 against one is better than 20 against one?

    BTW.
    It will cost the govt. waaayyyy less to arm 20 heroic teachers then it has cost for 1 or 2 armed security guards, who have little motivation to do anything.
     
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    No, it won't. Didn't you hear about the teacher in Utah that shot herself? Kids are going to die and then what? That's much more expensive than anything that you will pay a security guard.
     
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    Don't bring red herrings, straw man arguments, and false narratives to the debate. The bolded part of your statement is a load of crap.
     
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    Whoa there cowboy. I was responding to the red herrings, straw man arguments, and false narratives brought up by someone else. He strongly implied that having armed guards at Newtown and at Columbine did no good at all. Here is his post. Take up your wagon load of shit up with him.

    Oh, that was you…
     
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    Not if it's locked in a safe or concealed on their person. If it's concealed on their person.....how do you know they're carrying a gun?

    Personally, I think it's a brilliant idea. I don't know why it's taken so long for Liberals to get with the program. They would rather have your child cowering under a desk, with an unarmed teacher swinging a yard stick at the perp.
     
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    The best predictor for gun violence is not the presence of gun control laws, it is if the demographics of the area are black or latino. And that's not just in America, that's worldwide.
     
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    Dude, blacks and Latinos are perfectly capable of exercising safe and responsible gun ownership.

    Just look at Colion Noir.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/MrColionNoir
     
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    The armed guards saved lives.

    http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/armed-school-guard-at-columbine-saved-lives/

    Yes, there was, and it was the guard's presence and the resistance he and others offered that kept the carnage less than it might have been.

    On April 20, 1999, Neil Gardner, an armed sheriff's deputy who had been policing the school for almost two years, was eating lunch when Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold arrived at Columbine with their deadly arsenal and deadlier intentions.

    Gardner said he got a call from a custodian that he was needed in the school's back parking lot. A few minutes later, he encountered Harris, and the two exchanged gunfire. The exchange with Harris lasted for an extended period of time, during which Harris' gun jammed.

    The deputy and the backup he immediately called for exchanged fire with the shooters a second time and helped begin the evacuation of students, all before SWAT teams arrived, and before Harris and Klebold eventually killed themselves in the library.

    Harris and Klebold also carried improvised explosive devices, some that detonated, others that didn't. One thing is certain — the armed resistance of Gardner and his backup bought time and saved lives.

    There is no way of knowing how many lives were saved that day by an armed sheriff's deputy, and how many would have been slaughtered if nobody had been there with a gun at all.

    We have noted that days before Sandy Hook, an armed citizen stopped a shooter threatening a massacre at a mall in Clackamas, Ore. It echoed what happened in 2007 during a rampage in Trolley Square, Utah, which was put to an end after an officer who was on a date with his wife, confronted the shooter and kept the 18-year-old shooter pinned down until more police arrived and killed the shooter.
     
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