Serious Question For Trump Supporters

Here's one guy that is effected by this.

But I'm a liberal so I don't matter, right Denny?

For fucks sake.

 

Is the country divided because of Obama though?

For example, the LGBT community is pushing for equal rights. One of them was gay marriage, another has to do with restroom use.

There's a lot of people (mostly republicans) that don't support their rights, because the "bible says marriage is this" yadda yadda yadda. In terms of marriage, they use these RELIGIOUS beliefs to form their opinion on the way the STATE should be ran. If you can't see the reference (Hint: Seperation of...) I'm making and my point as to why those who oppose gay marriage are wrong...

It's going to create division when a community simply wants equal rights and someone tells essentially says "well based off my religious views, I don't believe you should be allowed to have equal rights".
You have people upset over the rate in which blacks are subject to police violence and many people say shit like "well I know a white person that had the same problem, where's the outrage for him?"
The republican view of abortion is that they think they're OPINION on an bioethical problem should be the RULE for EVERYONE. This division is due to republicans! The general reaction by Republicans is "Well you shouldn't have had sex". Thing is, the real answer is "Due to our opinions on a bioethical issue with no correct answer, you shouldn't have had sex, because our opinions should govern your life, even though you may think differently".

I believe that I think the division is due to the oppressed getting fed up with all the bullshit given by those who don't care or those who do the oppressing. The thing is, democrats are more tolerant towards many groups of people, so how is Obama the cause of the division?

You're extremely ignorant if you think these people's problem's go away when OTHER people get jobs and the economy improves. Guess what, these people will still be oppressed, and Johnny down the street finding a job and a better economy isn't going to fucking fix that. Maybe you just don't care about those people? Maybe their issues just aren't important to you? Well if so, then YOU are an example of the cause to the division within this country, not Obama.

 

as someone not from the USA, or even anywhere near it - dunno if anyone is interested in an outsider perspective on all this but here's what i think.

it seems to me that everyone who was 'shocked' trump made it in were on the coasts. it looks like the heartland central people felt disinfranchised and forgotten, and although trumps rally cries to these folks for sure edged on the extreme side, the sentiment rang true where it mattered. tbh it was thoroughly enjoyable watching all these celebs n actors and news networks eating shit n flipping the fuck out... these are the same kind of people that cause most of the rest of the world to cringe too, so i get that. also, you guys are going from a president who brought hip hop into the white house and dropped a mic after a speech etc - a reality tv business man isn't an astronomical leap n bounds to me.

do i think pretty much anyone but hilary would have won vs. trump - most likely.
do i think 'none of the above' would have won vs. both of them - most likely

when it was all coming together, i was thinking that the trump voters had just said, look... fuck it - change is needed, it might go to a weird place, but itll for sure be 'different' and its a vote against just more of the same BS - yall had like a thousand bush's, do you really need another clinton? and that one? whilst trump said some fucked up shit, i just always looked at hilary with a 'this bitch think she so teflon and if she smiles faker and harder we could have a new joker on our hands' she just personified - more of the same, more contracts for friends, more smarmy bs, yadda yadda.

would i have voted trump if i was in the usa? apparently it depends on where you live - the amount of relevance you have to pop culture - and how much shitty network gloss your state gets.

all up, i think that the usa ultimately needed this as an awareness metric and self-correction.

tbh id love to see the 'other' side too, if someone like Noam Chomsky got in - after watching Requiem For The American Dream , i cant help but think a return to a humanitarian focused greatness would be an amazing thing to see happen.

little bit of rambling, but im eating dinner n mostly 1 handfing this

 

Yes. His elitism and snubbing his nose at anyone who's not a college Liberal or Hollywood celebrity is what's caused this divide. Add in the fact that he NEVER remained neutral on social issues and issues of race, when he's supposed to be unbiased and impartial as president of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA.

We're not the United States of Black People.
We're not the United States of Gay People.
We're not the United States of Muslims.
We're not the United States of Mexicans.

We are the United States of America. And it was his job to remain impartial, objective, and neutral. And instead of bringing both sides together, he used his "my way or the highway" arrogance to spite anyone who didn't support his narrow views.

So yes. Our country IS divided because of him. We were never this divided under Bush Sr. We were never this divided under Clinton. And we were never this divided under a guy who bankrupted our country and got us into a needless war in Iraq.....Bush Jr.

Nope. This division has occurred at levels not seen since Jim Crow. And it's happened under Obama.

You cannot deny this, and you cannot ignore this.

So yes. His fault.

Gay Marriage has already been settled, and anyone can use a bathroom that they want. NO-ONE is going to enforce that bathroom law unless a serious crime has been committed inside a bathroom, such as a sexual assault. You know that, and I know that.

I will say this though: Republicans shot themselves in the foot by grossly overreacting to this issue. They took one isolated case of some kid in Illinois or something being allowed to use a gender-neutral bathroom, and decided to make that their Tiananmen Square issue. They blew this shit completely out of proportion.

Gay Marriage? They grumbled about it.
The Ten Commandments being removed outside of court houses? They grumbled about it.
The Church of Satan using Religious Rights laws to establish their religion? They grumbled about it.

But oh....a kid wants to use a female bathroom because he identifies as a woman? Nope, can't have that....that's too much!

The Republicans were fucking idiots on that issue. This was never a problem until they made it a problem. LGBT people used public bathrooms all the time in this country without a problem....until North Carolina decided to flip a shit about it. And they used scare-mongering tactics to push this bullshit legislation.

On that issue, they were a bunch of fucking morons.

I'm sorry, but these aren't "Equal" Rights. You cannot claim to want Equal Rights, and then snub your nose at a white person who's had his rights violated. It doesn't work that way.

So call it what it is: you want special rights for YOU. You want special treatment for YOU. You want special laws for YOU.

Sorry. Our country doesn't work that way.

Correct. Which is why we voted for Trump, instead of the same old "politics as usual" elitism that has divided this country for the past 8 years.

BULL FUCKING SHIT. Have you seen the protests against ANYONE who's not a Liberal or a Democrat? Have you seen the countless videos of peaceful Trump supporters being assaulted? Or the guy who was kidnapped recently in Chicago? Or the old man who was dragged out of his car and beaten because people thought he was a Republican?

You haven't seen any of that? What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you blind?

Democrats are THE most intolerant bunch of fucking assholes I have EVER had the misfortune of seeing in my entire life. And you only need to look at their online posts, the signs they hold at protests, and how they behave when they riot to see this shit.

NO REPUBLICAN, EVER, has ever told me to vote for them based on my ethnicity (Hispanic) and sexuality (Bisexual). Never. That's purely a DEMOCRAT tactic.

I cannot believe you would look around at how divided this country is, and the person who's at the helm, and not see the division he's caused. Pandering to celebrities, pandering to elitists, and more concerned with being popular than being a leader of men.

Democrats more tolerant....what a crock of utter shit.

They're only as oppressed as the media makes them believe they are. Maybe...just maybe...if they stopped listening to NBC and CNN tell them constantly that they are the victims of something...and instead just live their lives normally like everyone else....then perhaps they'll be happier.

I know when I stopped watching the news, I was almost immediately a happier person. Try it some time.

I care as much about them as they do about me.

We ALL have issues in this country. Mine are no more important than yours or anyone elses'. And their issues are no more important than mine. Trust me, I've got enough of my own issues to deal with, and I know other people who are far worse off than I am, and it has nothing to do with the government, the police, or Republicans.

 

How the hell did he not remain impartial and objective? Be specific. In what ways is he not neutral?

I was talking about the trend in which black people are oppressed systematically. It's not a ONE INCIDENT ISSUE. Yes, anyone's rights being violated in a specific instance is wrong, and deserve justice. I'm not snubbing my nose at that. I'm telling you that there's a trend that oppresses minorities the most. To deny that, is purely ignorant.

Oh right, because voting for a guy who's bragged about sexually abusing women, then responding to one of the women who's came forward with "She wouldn't be my first choice (to sexually assault", is going to REDUCE division... Voting for the guy that's made fun of people with disabilities will definitely reduce oppression. Taking away women's rights to and punishing them if they make choices for their own bodies will definitely unite the women under him! Since he will be a president who unites everyone (sarcasm), he would never say oppressive stuff to Muslims! He would never say they need to stop "Muslim's from entering the country". He would've never said that immigrants need to undergo "extreme vetting", which a lot of his supporters couldn't fucking "pass". That stuff is definitely not worse than "elitism"! (I'm being fucking sarcastic).

Well republicans aren't going to fucking protest since their candidate WON. Duh. If they lost, there would've been. Don't kid yourself. Hell, Trump CALLED FOR PROTESTS against Obama in 2012 and is now bitching about how unfair they are. Republicans protested in 2008 and 2012. There were instances in 2008 where Obama supporters were assaulted by republicans. Both parties have supporters that protest and do fucked up shit. (http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...publicans-employ-double-standard-to-discredit)

The thing is, these protests are for what Trump stands for, and the things he's said and done. Most of the protests in 2008 were due to the fact that Obama was BLACK. Do you really think that republicans are too fucking righteous to protest? They're just as bad. Do you not see the fucking intolerance of republicans being that Obama was black as worse than people being intolerant of Trump because of the shit he's said?

But somehow, even though it's equally bad among both parties, you used the protests and crime to say that Democrats are more intolerant of groups of people.

And then you have this piece of shit right below...

I'm a liberal. I'd love you to come to a meet and greet and say that to my face. That'd make my fucking day. You'd be very "misfortune" after that. Again, acting like it's only liberals that do this shit... Your bias is showing.

Right, cuz that's the fucking cause of division in this country!!! You crack me up. You're ignorant as hell.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. Do you really fucking think that people feel oppressed because they're "told they are", and not from real fucking experience??? You ignore the facts of systematic oppression. In fact, your just plain fucking ignorant.

Sorry to tell you, but you're issues don't compare to the issue of blacks being killed at a lot higher rate than whites. If you're issues are just as important than other people getting killed due to oppression, then I don't know what to tell you.

You're an example of ignorance at it's finest. I don't know why I expect better out of people though.

 

"Republicans are bad because black people are oppressed."

"Me me me" is what elected Trump.

Christ, you people never learn. I said "we are not 'The United States of Black People'" Which clearly demonstrates that you disagree with that.

So tell you what: let's put a record number of black people, minorities, and women in positions of power in this country. Perhaps that will....

.....what's that? You mean...there ARE record numbers of blacks and women in public office? In government? In business?

You mean, those same people voted for Obama, who gave them further 8 years of "oppression", just because of the color of his skin? You mean...they didn't vote for him based on his actual policies or agenda?

Nooooo.....really?!

"But but but...oppression!"....fuck you. Shoving that bullshit down America's throat and calling people racist for 8 years is exactly what got Trump elected. If you were oppressed, there wouldn't be 1,000,000 of you assholes protesting at Trump's Inauguration. Or shutting down entire highways.

You wouldn't get the chance; you'd get your asses arrested in a heart beat. Dr. King, a gun-owning REPUBLICAN, faced more oppression in one year, The only thing you get "oppressed" about is when a college professor says something you don't like



Here...maybe you'll take a CELEBRITY'S word for it....



Oh yeah, that looks like a bunch of oppressed people alright. More like enlightened people who see what's really going on, and which party is using them as punchlines for headlines and pawns for political gain.

But yeah...go ahead tough guy: thump your chest and claim this country as only yours. Such stupidity is exactly what got Trump elected.

Trump appreciates your support, and now you can sit back and see how to properly run a country for the next 4 years. And using black people as political pawns won't be tolerated by this administration.

But hey.....CNN and every other major news organization will be happy to accommodate you.

 

Because there's many black people in public office doesn't mean they aren't oppressed. I know many black people who have had first-hand experience with it. I know no white person that has dealt with oppression like that. I have seen a couple blacks get thrown into jail for a year because of drugs. I've seen a white girl who's had many DUIs, and gotten caught with meth and heroin and her longest terms been 3 fucking months. It's about others, and not being so ignorant that I'm blinded from reality.

You lump women in with minorities, when they make up 52% of the population. Is there more men than women in public office? Yes. Hmmm...

Your logic is "All black people voted for Obama because he's black" even though the majority of his votes were from white people. And how can you really think all blacks voted for him because of his race, when do many whites voted for him? You make no fucking sense.

"Since there isn't a large of blacks getting arrested for protesting on the highway, that means they're not oppressed!". You can't be fucking serious!

By the way, I'M FUCKING WHITE. So how the fuck do I think the country is "only mine" when I'm talking about minorities being oppressed?

Republicans aren't bad because black people are oppressed, they're bad because they ignore the oppression.

You're an example. Fuck me because I've seen I've SEEN the oppression and don't ignore the FACTS?

I just have one question:

What I've personally seen and factual evidence is the basis for my opinion. What the fuck is the basis for yours?

 

LMFAO. Wow. That's a disconnect from reality if ever I saw it. I said BLACK PEOPLE voted for him because of their race. And to deny this as fact is to deny reality, especially based on what many of them have actually openly said.

Basis for what? That the media uses black people as punch lines? That Democrats use them as political pawns?

You're fucking kidding me, right? You cannot possibly be that out of touch with what's going on in this country. Where the hell have you been for 8 years?

Obama has done NOTHING to alleviate the suffering of black people in the inner cities. He's done NOTHING to speak with black people on a personal level of ANY sort. And I'm not surprised, seeing as how he's a rich, elitist Lawyer from Chicago. He has about as much in common with the average black person in this country, as Bill Gates does with poverty.

So now you're surprised when, after 8 years of racial divide, and using black people for headlines and political gain, they wake up and vote for the other side?

You honestly think they would do that if Republicans ignored supposed "oppression", like you claim? Really?

I don't. I think black people are too smart for that. I think many have finally woken up and seen how corrupt the entire political system is, and how Democrats have done NOTHING for them. All talk and no game; just to keep them on the plantation.

Gotta have votes after all, right?

You know, it's funny.....Trump was never called a racist...until he ran against a Democrat.

Gee...funny how that works, huh?

But hey...I wasn't called a baby killer until I joined the NRA.

...and that wasn't Republicans calling me that....

 

I don't think you can handle this forum son, you're preaching tolerance while calling someone a moron and threatening him if he said something you didn't like to you in person.

Do you wear Ultimate Warrior arm bands while you type?

But, now I know what the hate HSP was talking about in his thread in then main forum. S and C aren't close on a keyboard, I mean HSP. I've changed his name, and no I'm not telling. Guess.

 

He's a Liberal; that's what they do. It's half the reason why I stopped being one.

You can't treat people like that, and then wonder why they didn't vote for your candidate.

I would have thought that Johanthan Pie's message would have made that clear by now...



People are shocked when I tell them that I used to be a Liberal Democrat. I never voted for Bush, and I hated his war strategy/lies, and labeling people "unamerican" who didn't conform to his views. And never-mind the Conservative views at the time about the LGBT community, and how our tax dollars were being spent.

But now you have the other extreme on the Left, who has taken over and labeled everyone and everything who doesn't conform to THEM as Racist, Misogynistic, and Homophobic. Which is really insulting to me as a Hispanic, Bisexual man.

And then along comes Trump, who's not a career politician, who calls us "Americans"......and you wonder why we voted for him.

Get a clue, America. We want change. REAL change. Not the made-up crap that Obama lied to us about.

 

First of all, thank you for your service. Most of my family was in the military and 3 of them in combat. The sacrifices made by those who keep this country as one of the last places on earth with much freedom can not ever be repaid.

As for 'why are people HAPPY that Trump is President', I'm not sure very many people would select him as their ideal candidate at all. For all of the questionable, poor choice or simply indefensible things he did, there are examples for some people as to why he was the better choice. For the Miss America contestant that came forward and complained about him, there were dozens who said he was the nicest, most supportive gentleman they had ever met. Those interview just didn't get played in a feedback loop like the one who complained.

There was a video made by a single, minority mom with a passed felony record who is now in charge of one of Trumps charity efforts. She painted a completely different side to him that you would never her on CNN or Facebook. Friends and relatives in NY have mentioned how there seems to be 2 distinct sides to him.....one in front of a camera or on social media and the other side that is a business man who has worked with every type of person imaginable all over the world.

I was no Trump supporter but since he is the President, it was incumbent upon me to find what are almost always two sides to the story. That said, if the Democrats don't secretly try to eliminate Bernie Sanders, Trump might not be President. Hillary has the misfortune of being continually involved with things that are very much in the gray area or just completely unethical. She was a very flawed candidate from the start and didn't have her husband's charisma to be able to overcome that.

The constant media barrage against Trump I think also helped him a bit in the end. It became obvious that they was a complete lack of objectivity in reporting on him by most of the media and enough of it was easily refutable that it united those who felt they had no voice and were constantly being made fun of and impugned by the same media that maybe this guy would stand up for him. Not that he was a great candidate but they were tired of being ignored, taken for granted and needed the hope of more jobs in a country where the amount of people without jobs is approaching 100 million and almost half of the country is on some type of government assistance. The debt is closing in on $20 trillion when Bush was slammed for a significantly lower number and most people felt that Mrs. Clinton would just continue to make that worse so are hoping someone who has actual business experience might be able to turn this around. I attended a financial conference in NY just before the election and almost without exception, most people there were Hillary supporters but thought Trump would have a better chance to get business going again as regulation has strangled much of small business which is the backbone of this country.

None of the above exonerates things Trump has done and if Mrs. Clinton didn't have the continual ethical baggage around her, the outcome would have probably been different. Hillary didn't even both campaigning in some of the states she lost because she felt she had them won and took them for granted. Like him or not, I can respect that Trump was smart enough to figure out how the election was won and to campaign tirelessly in states that were close. He ended up winning something like around 85% of the counties in this country. Hillary won the popular vote but that was entirely due to California where Trump didn't campaign because he knew it wasn't based on a popular vote.

Sadly, Trump doesn't need any help with poor perception....he creates enough of that on his own. But how some people have interpreted that boggles the imagination. I have a good friend who has been a citizen of this country for 30 years. They came over during the holidays and were obviously down in the dumps and deeply so. I asked them what was wrong.

"I might have to move" she said.

Now she had recently moved to a very expensive place downtown and I figured it was just more than she could take on. In inquiring further, it had nothing to do with her rent. She is from the Middle East and was somehow legitimately fearful that she was going to be thrown out of the country. She hated Trump for what he was going to make her do so I tried to calm her down and asked her why she thought he was going to throw her out. She had plenty of reasons but not one of the reasons she stated was based on any fact or anything Trump had ever done or said. We spent a good amount of time walking through what Trump had actually said and trying to help her understand where her fears were coming from and then deal with them on a more substantive basis. I would have been scared too if I believed what she did. By the end of the night she was much more calm and questioning how she got to where she did in the first place.

I'm not sure if all of that answers your question and there is no excuse for some of what Trump has done. Every political figure has their issues but often that picture now is painted by the media who for the large part, has taken a definite side instead of being objective at all anymore. It takes some real digging to find out both sides of any story any more.

Perhaps show your daughter the Lynne Patton story. I couldn't remember her name and had to search to find it but here is a link to something I never heard in the media until someone else pointed it out to me. It doesn't excuse the 'grabbing' you had to explain but I was unaware of this other side which I've started to look into more thoroughly now as I feel I can't trust the constant barrage anymore. For better or worse, he will be the President now. Time for me and hopefully others to find out more of the story.

 

I just wanted to say "thank you". This was extremely well written and explained, and you said all of that far better than I could have.

Speaking for myself personally, I agree to a point. For me, he's just not very punctual, and there may be times where he's not very cultured towards others. I admit that freely.

For me, I wasn't one of his blind, hat-wearing followers, and I've explained in detail what I disagreed with his campaign about on this forum before. I took everything he said with a grain of sand. BUT...at the same time, I also evaluated, for myself, what he was saying from what the MEDIA was interpreting what he said. And, like you said, more often than not, his words were not just exaggerated, but cherry-picked and blown completely out of proportion.

At the end of the day, however, he spoke to ME. He didn't speak to some elitist celebrity in Hollywood. He didn't speak to me through some bullshit, manufactured ad on TV. And he didn't label me either.

He got out there and spoke with We The People. Sure, not everyone agreed with him, and that's okay. BUT...he made the effort to get out there and listen to them; to meet them, to talk with them. He did forums and rallies, which was something Clinton DIDN'T do nearly to the extent of Trump.

She called me a Deplorable. Trump called me an American.

And he's not a career politician either.

THAT is why I voted for him. I acknowledge that, yeah, he's a bit bombastic, and can be an asshole. But I can deal with that, because he speaks on my level. Which is something that Obama and Clinton never did.

We are ALL assholes to an extent. Trump just doesn't try and hide it. And dammit, that is so refreshing.

I understand him, and that is enough for me.

 

Jeff Sessions openly explained he was against gay marriage but said he would uphold the law. Your political or ideological views should never interfere with your duty to represent the entire country. That's what Obama failed to uphold. His ideology took precedence over protecting the rights of "all Americans."

 

Sorry.

@BonesJones, I like you. You've earned my respect for how much you love the Blazers. You're always on the other forum, supporting the team with every game.

We are both passionate about this topic. Both of us have our complaints against the other side. Some warranted, and some perhaps blown a bit out of proportion.

I'm sorry I called you names. I admit that perhaps I do that a bit too much on here from time to time. It's not something I'm proud of, which is why I make an effort to apologize once I've taken a breath.

I suggest we both acknowledge what we've said here, and move on.

 

Bolded = Me too. Same boat. Yes I used to be a registered Dem.

All the other, I agree with you 1000%.

The last sentence is a huge reason why the movement is happening.

Edit:

This.

 

Very possible but if it changes, it will go through the right channels to change. I personally don't think it will change. Trump is actually pro-gay.