"Voter Fraud"

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  1. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

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    So let's get this straight. Nobody, not even Jason "Let's investigate everything Hillary Clinton has ever done until the end of time" Chaffetz believes there was voter fraud. TRUMP'S OWN LAWYERS stated so in their response to Jill Stein's call for a recount. But now we're getting a big TAXPAYER-FUNDED investigation. And Trump has said it will ONLY focus on
    (a) States he lost (because, PRE-INVESTIGATION, he KNOWS that "not one" illegal vote went to him) and specifically
    (b) Cities with large "urban" populations.

    Thoughts?
     
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    Sedatedfork Rip City Rhapsody

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    Dying to see the results of the voter fraud probe. Pins and Needles I tell you!
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    I confess. It was me, I voted 3 million times.
     
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    Sedatedfork Rip City Rhapsody

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    I should tweet this to POTUS.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I'm dubious of this claim he's made.

    If he needs to find out, though, so be it.

    Yes, I'll say this was a foolish thing to do if it doesn't pan out.
     
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    Who is doing the investigation?
     
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  7. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Oh Please let it be Sarah Palin.
     
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    How exactly are they going to investigate this?
     
  10. Denny Crane

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    If it were me, I'd be looking at the voter rolls and verifying if the voters are truly citizens. It shouldn't be that hard.
     
  11. Chris Craig

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    Yeah because he should have won all 50 states + D.C.
     
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    So, they are going to comb through the Democratic voters only.
     
  13. blue32

    blue32 Who wants a mustache ride?

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    Well, Don't you want to see if Russian influenced the election, or if illegal immigrants voted?
     
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    I would comb through all of them.

    If we want to know the truth, one way or the other.

    I'd start with California, as it has more than enough potential undocumented aliens who might have been given voter registration.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Here is an amusing take on this.

     
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    I like that.
     
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    Oh this looks promising

     
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    It will be investigated the same way BENGHAZI!!! was investigated, the same way fake Planned Parenthood was/is investigated.

    Investigation and investigation. They won't find anything, but the idea is to keep investigating until enough people think there must be some there there.

    Then stricter and stricter voter restrictions to keep the wrong people (Black, Hispanic, students) from voting.
     
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    Study finds Clinton may have received 835,000 votes from illegal immigrants.


    https://www.wired.com/2017/01/author-trumps-favorite-voter-fraud-study-says-everyones-wrong/

    Richman himself is not backing down from his initial findings. He says that even if some people did check the wrong citizenship box, enough respondents repeatedly reported voting as noncitizens to indicate that some noncitizens do in fact vote. Even some of Richman’s detractors, such as Rick Hasen, author of the Election Law Blog, acknowledge that “noncitizen voting is a real, if relatively small, problem.” Richman says those on the left are just as wrong to reflexively claim that voter fraud doesn’t exist at all as Trump is to continue insisting voter fraud is a national conspiracy.

    But Richman is unequivocal that even if his findings are correct, Clinton would have still handily won the popular vote in November, despite the new president’s claims.

    “I can’t quite account for the math being so badly wrong in their analyses,” he says of the Trump administration’s interpretation of his report.

    Here’s what the math should look like (that is, if Richman’s initial study was accurate—which many researchers doubt). If 6.4 percent of the estimated 20.3 million noncitizens in the US voted, and if just 81.8 percent of them voted for Clinton (the percentage who voted for Obama in his 2008 study), that’s an added margin of a little more than 835,000 votes. In other words: Even with all of those supposedly fraudulent ballots, Clinton still would have won the popular vote by more than 2 million votes.
     
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    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973

    Do non-citizens vote in U.S. elections?

    Highlights

    • First use of representative sample to measure non-citizen voting in USA.
    • Some non-citizens cast votes in U.S. elections despite legal bans.
    • Non-citizens favor Democratic candidates over Republican candidates.
    • Non-citizen voting likely changed 2008 outcomes including Electoral College votes and the composition of Congress.
    • Voter photo-identification rules have limited effect on non-citizen participation.

    Abstract

    In spite of substantial public controversy, very little reliable data exists concerning the frequency with which non-citizen immigrants participate in United States elections. Although such participation is a violation of election laws in most parts of the United States, enforcement depends principally on disclosure of citizenship status at the time of voter registration. This study examines participation rates by non-citizens using a nationally representative sample that includes non-citizen immigrants. We find that some non-citizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and Congressional elections. Non-citizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress.
     

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