Bulls are a complete dumpster fire internal struggles as well as a total lack of winning or direction (sounds eerily familiar) is there a way we can see him in the correct shades of red and black? Crabbe + Harkless + 2 2017 firsts for Butler and Rondo. Who we could send to the cavs for a second rounder or something as an F U to the Warriors Who says no?
Chicago hangs up the moment you say Crabbe. It takes CJ at bare minimum. Just because it's a dumpster fire doesn't mean they aren't going to salvage the goods. Jesus, be realistic.
My guess is that both Crabbe and Harkless have much lower values around the league than what we ascribe to them on these boards. Leonard, Harkless, CJ, 1 pick, and maybe Davis for RoLo + Butler (maybe Portis, too?) is more reasonable (but maybe not reasonable enough for either team). Anyway, it makes us older (which is good for us) and Chicago younger (which is good for them). RoLo Vonleh ET Butler Dame CJ Wade Harkless Gibson Davis/Biebs
Replace Leonard with another first round pick and this starts to become realistic. Leonard has negative trade value at this point as well--no one's spending $35M over 3.5 years for a guy who's currently doing nothing particularly well and has now been in the league long enough for his prospect status to wear off.
They can get much better assets than Crabbe, Harkless and two first rounders which are not even top 10. Boston would easily give them the Brooklyn pick and Crowder, possibly even both Brooklyn picks and add one of Rozier and Smart.
1) U hate Leonard, I hate Leonard, but it's possible not everyone does. 2) RoLo is their only list C, they need another back. 3) Need Salaries to match, possible, but harder to do without Biebs.
Yeah, I missed the Lopez bit. I meant just for Butler. I don't hate Leonard, I just don't think he's nearly good enough to justify his contract and his youth isn't sufficiently exciting when he hasn't been improving over the years. Sure, maybe a GM thinks he's awesome but I can only go by what seems logical to me.
F YOU, we're not trading Denny! You can't make me go back to BBF, sniff, sniff, YOU CAN'T MAKE ME GO BACK, Wahhhhhhhhhhh!
Philadelphia could offer them something and it would make perfect sense but their picks are worth much less if Butler goes there because that will make them a playoffs team. Two picks plus Okafor might be tempting for Bulls though. They would probably be tanking for a while trying to develop new picks and Valentine, Okafor, Zipser.
Butler in Philadelphia would be pretty damn scary. If they can find just a reasonably competent guard to defend opposing point guards and knock down some open shots, they'd be pretty set up for a long run of success.
I disagree. Even Dame for Butler straight up would be an upgrade for us. Any deal which lands us Butler probably makes us a better team.
