Politics The ACLU took Trump to court over his Muslim refugee and immigrant ban — and won

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  1. riverman

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    Trump started a charity in NYC without registering it....and pilfered it...ran a college without credentials...and he's got the nuke codes...whew.....he is the ugly American.
     
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    That last part might just be his goal for all we know...

    And this isn't a Democrat saying that. I am a Libertarian who leans much more to the conservative-side folks in politics but put me on board with not agreeing with this.
     
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    You have taken the pebbles from my hand. It is time.
     
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    To be fair, the last paragraph (which doesn't seem to be seen in the tweet) said something along the lines of: "The Department of Homeland Security will comply with judicial orders..."
     
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    Fair! Pah!
    But how can the DHS "continue to enforce" the EO AND comply with judicial orders?
     
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    Because the judicial orders only applied to part of the EO.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    He has no AG. Hard to complain he didn't pass it by his AG when he doesn't have an AG, no?

    His nominee hasn't been voted on yet.

    He has to govern. This is one of his campaign promises.

    I said I don't approve of this part of his agenda. The economic plans are a refreshing change, though.

    In his defense:

    http://www.pe.com/articles/bernardino-801536-san-case.html

    The woman passed whatever vetting we had in place.
     
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    One week is blocking.

    Obama's picks were voted on the day he took office.
     
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    http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...-order-no-muslim-ban-separating-fact-hysteria

    Indeed, given the terrible recent track record of completed and attempted terror attacks by Muslim immigrants, it’s clear that our current approach is inadequate to control the threat. Unless we want to simply accept Muslim immigrant terror as a fact of American life, a short-term ban on entry from problematic countries combined with a systematic review of our security procedures is both reasonable and prudent.

    However, there are reports that the ban is being applied even to green-card holders. This is madness. The plain language of the order doesn’t apply to legal permanent residents of the U.S., and green-card holders have been through round after round of vetting and security checks. The administration should intervene, immediately, to stop misapplication. If, however, the Trump administration continues to apply the order to legal permanent residents, it should indeed be condemned.
     
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    There are many departments within the AGs office.

    Trickling down, there is a Deputy AG just under the AG.

    The Deputy has several high level managers, one of which is an Associate AG.

    The Assoc. AG is in charge of over a dozen departments.

    One of those departments is the Civil Rights division, which is where I am guessing the actual work would have been done on Trumps EO.


    Trump did not need an AG to have his EO checked over by the AGs office,, the Deputy AG would have passed it on to the appropriate departments.
     
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    Trump nominated Rod Rosenstein to be Deputy AG on Jan 13. He's not been voted on either.

    So what Deputy are you talking about?
     
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    Acting Attorney General
    Sally Q. Yates became the Acting Attorney General on January 20, 2017.
     
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    Obama appointee.

    Not Trump's pick for the full time job.
     
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    Speaking of Sessions:

    Dated January 10.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/jeff-sessions-confirmation-1.3928945

    Though he said he would prosecute immigrants who repeatedly enter the country illegally and criticized as constitutionally "questionable" an executive action by President Barack Obama that shielded certain immigrants from deportation, he said he did "not support the idea that Muslims, as a religious group, should be denied admission to the United States."

    Trump earlier in his campaign called for a temporary ban on Muslims entering his country, but has more recently proposed "extreme vetting."

    Sessions asserted that he could confront Trump if needed, saying an attorney general must be prepared to resign if asked to do something "unlawful or unconstitutional."
     
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    Now you are getting silly. She is the acting AG.
    There is a process in place to keep the AGs office running until Trump's AG and DAG are approved.
    Trump does not have an excuse for bypassing the AG's office.

    https://www.justice.gov/ag
     

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