Politics The ACLU took Trump to court over his Muslim refugee and immigrant ban — and won

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  1. MarAzul

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    Protesters have no right to violate the law, such as blocking the street. If the have a permit to do so is ok, but they normally do not bother. Yes, it pisses me off no end!
     
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  3. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

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    As Denny has stressed repeatedly, Presidents have no right to violate the law. If they follow legal procedures it might be ok, but Trump didn't bother. Yes, it pisses me off no end!
     
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    Even though I disagree with almost everything you said in this post, I liked it.

    Reason, you touched on the real issue. The courts will have the final say if Trump followed procedures or not. I do not believe the ruling will be over-turned.

    It might help some of you to better understand the issue if you reread the first page in this thread. Especially post #4 by @SlyPokerDog.

    Just one short C&P of his post.
     
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    Please state what law he broke? :dunno:
     
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  8. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

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    How about violating their rights to due process for starters......
     
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    Yes, the president does have to obey the laws. I'm asking what Trump did that was illegal, or against the law.

    Obama signed this.


    https://www.cbp.gov/travel/internat...ement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq

    What are the new eligibility requirements for VWP travel?
    Under the Act, travelers in the following categories are no longer eligible to travel or be admitted to the United States under the VWP:

    • Nationals of VWP countries who have been present in Iraq, Syria, or countries listed under specified designation lists (currently including Iran and Sudan) at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).
    • Nationals of VWP countries who have been present in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).
    These restrictions do not apply to VWP travelers whose presence in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen was to perform military service in the armed forces of a program country, or in order to carry out official duties as a full-time employee of the government of a program country. We recommend those who have traveled to the seven countries listed above for military/official purposes bring with them appropriate documentation when traveling through a U.S. port of entry.

    The vast majority of VWP-eligible travelers will not be affected by the new Act. New countries may be added to this list at the discretion of the Secretary of Homeland Security.

    (My note: the same 7 countries in Trump's E.O.)
     
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    Due process: right to life, liberty and property. How does refusing entry to the US violate due process? Nobody's life is being taken. Nobody is being thrown in prison/jail. Nobody's property is being taken.
     
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    Sending an illegally present foreigner back home or preventing him from circumventing our immigration laws is not a violation of due process, nor is it prohibited under The Fifth Amendment. Detaining them temporarily for investigation of a violation of a law has never been ruled inappropriate. An Executive Order has the same legal weight as laws passed by Congress do, and it's obvious they violated it.

    Executive Orders (EOs) are legally binding orders given by the President, acting as the head of the Executive Branch, to Federal Administrative Agencies. ... Executive Orders do not require Congressional approval to take effect but they have the same legal weight as laws passed by Congress.
    http://www.thisnation.com/question/040.html

    Fifth Amendment:
    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
     
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    Feel free to find a post where I insulted a poster.

    Barfo doesn't count, we've been going at it for years.
     
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    I've edited a few of your posts over the years for personal insults.

    (and yes, I've even edited a few of mine, lol)
     
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  14. MarAzul

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    Looks to me like those that had the legal documents got due process rather quickly. And I bet not many follow in their foot steps.
    What's the bitch?
     
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    Muslims are being singled out, because they're the religion that commits 99% of the terrorism. They are committing genocide against the christians in their nation and that's not being reported. Most of them are probably fine, but when you take in a large population of them you're getting a lot of trouble with it. Europe has had a lot of problems with this migrants and refugees.

    I don't understand this sentiment that says the US is obligated to take anyone in. I don't think many americans really understand what we're dealing with here. There are people from totally different cultures with a totally different way of seeing the world, and a good portion of them want to impose that view on the rest of the world, that is what Islam teaches.

     
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    Well, this is interesting... What can Trump do about that if Sessions isn't confirmed tomorrow? And will the Senate ask Sessions about his position on the EO?
     
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