Trump vs. Republicans

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  1. MickZagger

    MickZagger Well-Known Member

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    Once Trump found out that Ron Paul thinks he's a tool, I'm almost certain he snapped and called him "overrated" and a "phony".

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    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    But Ron Paul (according to your post) said Obama was at war for two full terms. When did he find time to surrender and create ISIS.......? Just sayin'.....
     
  3. Denny Crane

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    Obama was at war for two full terms.

    Within a couple of weeks of winning his nobel prize, he was bombing 6 countries - 5 of those not being bombed prior. The last of Obama's bombs fell the day before he left office.

    We weren't bombing Iraq when he took office, but we are now. Due to the surrender.
     
  4. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    Got it. But you still didn't answer my question....
     
  5. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    We didn't surrender. You know that.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Obama surrendered Iraq at the end of 2011.

    ISIS didn't exist prior, and the precursor to ISIS was just a few radical extremists who had no traction in gaining any kind of support.

    Left wing source:

    https://www.brookings.edu/testimonies/the-resurgence-of-al-qaeda-in-iraq/

    Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) has seemingly returned from the dead.[1] On the verge of strategic defeat as U.S. forces departed Iraq, AQI has since regrouped into a large and growing force, contributing to the surge in violence in Iraq and the broader region. ​

    Our presence there provided stability and a couple of years of peace.

    [​IMG]
     
  7. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Bullshit. We did. There's no excusing it, though people do try to excuse it.

    I'm calling it like it is.

    Period.
     
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    No he didn't. You know this, DennyAnne.
     
  9. SlyPokerDog

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    No we didn't, DennyAnne.
     
  10. Denny Crane

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    Yes we did, and thanks for the insult.
     
  11. Denny Crane

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    It's only an insult if you know you're spreading alt facts.
     
  13. Denny Crane

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    Here's an insult: fuck you.
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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    https://www.aei.org/publication/bush-warned-this-would-happen-in-iraq/

    In 2007, President George W. Bush warned that if America withdrew prematurely from Iraq, American troops would eventually have to return:

    To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we are ready … would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan. It would mean increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous. [EMPHASIS ADDED].

    Well just an hour ago, the Washington Post reported:

    President Obama said Thursday it is now clear Iraq will need help from the United States as the situation there deteriorates, adding that he wouldn’t “rule out anything,” including drone strikes and air strikes, but not ground troops.

    “What we’ve seen over the last couple of days indicates the degree to which Iraq’s going to need more help,” Obama said during a meeting with Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott at the White House. “So my team is working around the clock to identify how we can provide the most effective assistance to them. I don’t rule out anything, because we do have a stake in making sure that these jihadists are not getting a permanent foothold in either Iraq or Syria, for that matter.”

    He’s not ruling anything out, you see – except ground troops. He’s ruling that out.

    Let’s recall that Obama inherited a pacified Iraq, where al Qaeda had been defeated — both militarily and ideologically.
     
  19. SlyPokerDog

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    The withdrawal of U.S. military forces from Iraq began in December 2007 with the end of the Iraq War troop surge of 2007 and was completed by December 2011, bringing an end to the Iraq War. The number of U.S. military forces in Iraq peaked at 170,300 in November 2007.

    The withdrawal of U.S. military forces from Iraq was a contentious issue in the United States for much of the 2000s. As the war progressed from its initial invasion phase in 2003 to a nearly decade-long occupation, American public opinion shifted towards favoring a troop withdrawal; in May 2007, 55% of Americans believed that the Iraq War was a mistake, and 51% of registered voters favored troop withdrawal.[7] In late April 2007 Congress passed a supplementary spending bill for Iraq that set a deadline for troop withdrawal but President Bush vetoed this bill, citing his concerns about setting a withdrawal deadline.[8][9][10] The Bush Administration later sought an agreement with the Iraqi government, and in 2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a deadline of 31 December 2011, before which "all the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory".[11][12][13] The last U.S. troops left Iraq on 18 December 2011, in accordance with this agreement.[1][11][12] US Forces, in the form of air support, resumed operations in Iraq in June 2014, to defend it against ISIL.

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    2008 U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement[edit]
    In 2008 the American and Iraqi governments signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a specific date, 30 June 2009, by which American forces should withdraw from Iraqi cities, and a complete withdrawal date from Iraqi territory by 31 December 2011.[13] On 14 December 2008 then-President George W. Bush signed the security agreement with Iraq. In his fourth and final trip to Iraq, President Bush appeared in a televised news conference with Iraq's prime minister Nouri al-Maliki to celebrate the agreement and applauded security gains in Iraq saying that just two years ago "such an agreement seemed impossible".[27]

    President Obama's speech on 27 February 2009[edit]
    On 27 February 2009, at Marine Corps Base Camp Lejeune in North Carolina, President Barack Obama announced his revision to the original date of withdrawal of combat troops from Iraq. The revision was to extend the original date of 30 June 2009 for an additional 10 months, to 31 August 2010. After which all but a "transitional force" of 35,000 to 50,000 troops would be withdrawn from the Middle Eastern nation. President Obama reaffirmed commitment to the original complete withdrawal date of 31 December 2011, set by the agreement between the Bush Administration and the Iraqi government.[28] President Obama defined the task of the transitional force as "training, equipping, and advising Iraqi Security Forces as long as they remain non-sectarian; conducting targeted counter-terrorism missions; and protecting our ongoing civilian and military efforts within Iraq".[29]

    Withdrawal[edit]
    August 2010 partial withdrawal[edit]
    On 19 August 2010 the 4th Stryker Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division was the last American combat brigade to withdraw from Iraq.

    In a speech at the Oval Office on 31 August 2010 Obama declared: "the American combat mission in Iraq has ended. Operation Iraqi Freedom is over, and the Iraqi people now have lead responsibility for the security of their country."[30][31][32]

    About 50,000 American troops remained in the country in an advisory capacity as part of "Operation New Dawn," which ran until the end of 2011. New Dawn was the final designated U.S. campaign of the war. The U.S. military continued to train and advise the Iraqi Forces, as well as participate in combat alongside them.[33]

    Full withdrawal (2011)[edit]
    See also: U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement
    With the collapse of discussions about extending the stay of U.S. troops,[34][35] President Obama announced the full withdrawal of troops from Iraq, as previously scheduled, on 21 October 2011.[35] The U.S. retained an embassy in Baghdad[35] with some 17,000 personnel,[36] consulates in Basra, Mosul and Kirkuk, which have been allocated more than 1,000 staff each,[36] and between 4,000 and 5,000 defense contractors.[35] President Obama and al-Maliki outlined a broad agenda for post-war cooperation without American troops in Iraq during a joint press conference on 12 December 2011 at the White House. This agenda included cooperation on energy, trade and education as well as cooperation in security, counter-terrorism, economic development and strengthening Iraq's institutions. Both leaders said their countries would maintain strong security, diplomatic and economic ties after the last U.S. combat forces withdraw.[37][38]

    President Barack Obama paid tribute to the troops who served in Iraq on 14 December 2011, at the Fort Bragg military base in North Carolina. As the last of the American troops prepared to exit Iraq, he said the United States was leaving behind a "sovereign, stable and self-reliant" Iraq.[39] On 15 December, an American military ceremony was held in Baghdad putting a formal end to the U.S mission in Iraq.[40][41][42] The last 500 soldiers left Iraq on the morning of 18 December 2011.[1][2][3][4][5][6] At the time of withdrawal, the United States had one remaining soldier, Staff Sergeant Ahmed K. Altaie, still missing in Iraq since 23 October 2006, and had offered a $50,000 reward for his recovery.[43] On 26 February 2012, his death was confirmed.[44][45][46]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_U.S._troops_from_Iraq
     
  20. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

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    1. You (and others) have made it exceedingly clear there is no Right Wing Media......so this must be fake news.

    2. The American electorate wanted the US out of Iraq (utterly indisputable). So we got out. But then, this is the same electorate that elected Donald. Obama was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. But to be fair, the same thing can be said for Donny. Only the political party is different. Time to let Iraq and the rest of that part of the world collapse in on itself.

    3. F**k George W. Bush. He should have known it was a briar patch. His own father was smart enough to avoid that but Sonny wasn't paying attention. Big surprise. Look where that got us.
     

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