Another guy they won't pass the ball to

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  1. Mediocre Man

    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

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    Barkley was talking about Nurkic, and how Dame and CJ shoot every shot.

    Correct or incorrect?
     
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    They don't shoot every shot so incorrect.
     
  3. SIeepwalker

    SIeepwalker The lone sane poster

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    If only there was someone whose job was to tell the players how to play

    hold on I might be on to something here...
     
  4. Blazers Roy

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    They love to shoot, but they also enjoy making plays - especially CJ.
     
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    HailBlazers RipCity

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    Tend to agree.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i..._blaze.html#incart_river_mobileshort_home_pop
     
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    HailBlazers RipCity

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    He also enjoys dribbling off his foot with three defenders on him and teammates wide open.
     
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    He has a point. Especially Dame in the crucial time, nearly always goes for a score.
     
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    I seem to remember Dame throwing the ball to Aldridge rather frequently. If Nurkic is as good in P & Rs as he looks to be from the videos we've seen, I think he'll get the ball a lot.

    Barkley saying something entertaining that isn't exactly true? That NEVER happens.
     
  9. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    last season, Thompson and Curry shot 37.5 times a game. This year, CJ and Dame shoot 37.5 times a game.

    Thompson and Curry averaged 8.8 assists, CJ and Dame 9.4.

    T and C averaged fewer minutes too (shot better %'s though).

    Did he say that they shot too much and didn't pass enough?


    *T and C averaged more ppg than D and CJ do this year.
     
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  10. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Stupid narrative.

    This isn't why we're losing.
     
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    It's difficult for me to find much to argue with Chuckles on this one. Of course they don't shoot it every time but they are both quite ball dominant and don't move the ball quickly when they have it. Steve Jones was famous for "ball movement....player movement" and Dame/CJ really don't do either of those well. Throw in the defensive side of the court and it gets much worse. They are tremendous individual scorers but to compare them to the Splash Brothers seems like apples and oranges.

    Thompson rarely dribbles. He had a game where he scored something like 5o points and someone figure out he had the ball in his hands for less than 2 minutes the entire game or something like that. Thompson also plays defense which neither Dame or CJ does and the Splash brothers have a much higher effective shooting percentage.

    I just hope at some point they realize they have to play better defense and that going one-on-one (or two) for so much of the shot clock doesn't really help the team that much even when they do score. (ie Damon Stoudamire)
     
  12. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    The biggest problem isn't that they don't pass the ball, it's who they pass it to.

    Other than Allen Crabbe, the guys they pass the ball to are all below average shooters. Aminu and Leonard are shooting .367 and .361 FG%. the league average is .456.

    It's hard to rack up assists when the guys you are passing to constantly miss wide open shots.

    Charles' point is great players make "the others" better. My counterpoint is, "the others" suck.

    BNM
     
  13. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Huh? CJ and Dame are both almost always among the leaders in miles traveled per game. They move around off the ball quite a bit.

    Put KD and Draymond around Dame or CJ and see how few dribbles these guys have to take. Anyone can come around a single curl and make wide open jumpshots. Comparing either of our guys to the situation Klay is in is misguided.
     
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    Its not hard to see why they don't pass the ball that much. How often do we see them move the ball only to see a very bad shot hosted up or a turnover because no one wants to shoot it? Happens SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO freaken much every game.
     
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    Since LMA left, who has CJ and Dame had to pass the ball to they could trust?

    I really like Barkley, but on this he is a blowhard...
    Come on. He knows these things......

    I firmly believe that Dame could care less about his numbers if we are winning. He will pass the ball to anyone he can trust. He just doesnt have anyone other than CJ to trust.
     
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    Charles Barkley, lol.

    The reason ET has been a revelation (and Crabbe hasn't) is that he can create action. Besides Dame and CJ, no one else can. D and C NEED to shoot/create a lot.

    What is the inevitable outcome of "ball movement/player movement"? An Aminu 3 attempt, or an Aminu turnover - not a recipe for success.

    What we need is an actual good big that can take pressure off of D and C, by drawing attention. Hopefully, Nurkic is that guy. The truth is we had it much better with LaTurncoat.
     
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    A Curmudgeon on these boards quotes a curmudgeon in the media. Barkley is wrong, and for exactly the reasons MM has quoted previously - lack of big man talent.
     
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    A lot of that has to do WHERE the passes are. I can't count how many times someone is set up for a shot, only to catch a pass at their feet. Hitting guys in their shooting pocket is what separates 'good' PG from 'great' PG.
     
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    They do share the ball in the 1st QT to try get players involve. Last game due to ball movement we had great 1st on both side of the ball. But its the 4th QT where I see where CJ and Dame where they don't pass the ball very much even if there out there by there self. CJ worse then Dame at this stage of the game. This cause us to have 2 shot clock violation last game.
     
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    yeah more shots for Al Farouq Aminu, that'll solve it.
     
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