Politics TRUMP, PUTIN, AND THE NEW COLD WAR

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  1. riverman

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    he would've lost if they were all in Spanish though
     
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    I can't even conceive of the circumstances where Iran would have wanted Trump instead of Clinton. So, no, that doesn't work at all.
     
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    Iran has just had the most moderate leader they've had in a long time...Trump will set back progress because now the tribal warlords will go right back to where they were when Khomeini took power after the Shah left
     
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    >>> apparently
    L = Wind direction relative to bow of boat (apparent wind direction)
    Ummm, not sure how I screwed this up but it was link to and article about Obama ordering troop to Poland in January. Ah this one.
    http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...ps-into-poland-to-counter-russian-aggression/

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/14/europe/poland-us-troops-nato-welcome/

    It was fake new that this was ever impeded.
     
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    you believe the UN inspectors ...multi nationals...buried an ongoing weapons program in Iran? They are being very transparent about what they're doing now and according to Iranian news...they're blaming it on Trump's blockade...if we're going to call them an enemy...what else would they do?
     
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    Russia isn't the USSR anymore. NATO's function against that enemy has long been pointless.

    NATO will fulfill its functions if there is aggression against a member country. I don't see how EU or no EU makes a difference - it functioned fine before there was an EU.
     
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    Thank Obama.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/14/europe/poland-us-troops-nato-welcome/

    Updated 5:38 PM ET, Sat January 14, 2017 (1 week before Obama left office)

    Poland welcomes thousands of US troops in NATO show of force
     
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    according to that article...it should read...thanks military advisors....Mattis is all for it
     
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nato-and-nato-said-no/?utm_term=.d7e885eee041

    The Kremlin has warned that if Ukraine attempted to join NATO, any chances for peace would be derailed.

    It's a problem for NATO. But in an alternative universe, the problem would be very different. That's because Ukraine would already be a NATO member, with its 2008 application to join the military alliance winning acceptance.

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    Russia, however, was openly hostile to Ukrainian membership in NATO. The Kremlin opposed any eastward expansion of the alliance, and Russian President Vladimir Putin warned that NATO membership would force Russia to treat Ukraine as an enemy. "It is horrible to say and even horrible to think that, in response to the deployment of [NATO missile facilities] in Ukrainian territory, which cannot theoretically be ruled out, Russia could target its missile systems at Ukraine," Putin when Yushchenko visited the Kremlin in February 2008. "Imagine this just for a second."

    Russia's opposition caused consternation among some NATO members. "We are opposed to the entry of Georgia and Ukraine because we think that it is not a good answer to the balance of power within Europe and between Europe and Russia," French Prime Minister François Fillon reportedly said in a radio interview. That consternation proved vital.

    During NATO's 2008 summit in Bucharest, Romania, the issue was discussed and, after opposition from France and Germany, a decision was made to offer neither Ukraine nor Georgia a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) — essentially a path for Ukraine to receive membership — at that moment.

    (Russian military intervention in Ukraine started in 2014).

    Ukraine's NATO application is worth revisiting, and not just to ponder theoretical "what if" scenarios. The application and the events that followed reveal a number of factors that are relevant to Ukraine's ongoing crisis.

    (If Russia were offered to join NATO, why would they oppose its former satellites joining as well?)
     
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    Obama was commander in chief.

    But the buck never stops with him. (I'd use green font, but that's not sarcasm but truth).
     
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    It's funny how Mar Azul and Denny (don't call me Kelly) Crane both call CNN fake news and then post links to CNN articles.
     
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    Wait, I thought the WaPo was in the fake news category.
     
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    Oh shit, I get it. It's fake news when you disagree with it but news when you don't.
     
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    SlyPokerDog is an asshole.

    - fake news
     
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    Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."
    There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

    Quran
    Quran (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.
     
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    Denny rhymes with Kelly

    - News
     
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    2014, before sore loser set in.

    The lie is the "main stream media" is actually "main stream."
     
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    Husbands have been doing that long before there were ever muslims.

    - News
     
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    Giant conspiracy that the news all got together and started lying.

    - Fake news
     
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    When you have nothing useful to offer, you resort to insults and straw men.

    Bravo.
     
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