MVP Race- According To The Mouth Breathers....

He has TWICE as many triple doubles this season alone than Kobe had his ENTIRE career! Think about that for a second.
He has 41 this season with 4 games to go and arguable the "GREATEST PLAYER IN HISTORY" His airless has 29 in his entire career. Think about the significance of that please.

 

I don't give a fuck HOW he got em, that is history in front of your eyes right there. Ha, Ricky Davis!?

 

I put those stats up so you guys can explain them to me bro. All those numbers makes The HCP dizzy!

 

Wait. You're quoting Jason fucking Kidd to support your argument? Seriously?


See if I ever help clean up all the spilled beer and Doritos in the Mrs. HCP waiting room again...

 

I saw an interesting stat, that Westbrook isn't even #1 this season (let alone all-time) for contested rebounds by a guard. However, he's #1 by a mile for uncontested rebounds by a guard. I think what Westbrook is doing is both an amazing display of basketball ability and an amazing display of stat-padding. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

 

You're talking to the wrong guy. Music Nerd.... not Math Nerd. We DO come in different types. Although my vote goes to Harden. There is no way in hell I expected the Cockets to be this good. D'Antoni really was the right coach for Harden.

(BTW. Much love for Grant HS, HCP. I got family connections with that school that go back to the 50's)

 

Plus the home cookin that he gets on his assists.

 

When Lillard was playing trash for stretches of games Lillard fan boys would say:

"Teams zero in on him that's why!"

 

What does Lillard have to do with any of this? Couldn't pass up a chance to bash on him?

 

One thing that gets overlooked in all these video game numbers is the negative records Harden and Westbrook are also setting. They have both completely shattered the NBA single season record for turnovers. Harden set the record last year with 374 TOVs. The previous record was 366 set by Artis Gilmore in 1977-78. This year, Harden is at 444 TOVs and counting and Westbrook is at 424.

Westbrook is also missing field goals at a rate that has not been seen on a regular basis since the early 1960s. By the end of the season, he will have missed around 1130 shots - a number exceeded only one time each by Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant (who both scored considerably more and shot the ball better).

And since missed shots and TOVs figure into USG%, Westbrook is about to completely shatter the NBA record for USG%. He came close to setting the record two seasons ago when Durant missed 59 games when he had a USG% of 38.37, second only to Kobe's 38.74 and ahead of Jordan's career high of 38.29. The difference is both those players scored a lot more and did so more efficiently.

Based on Westbrook's season to date, here's the four highest USG% seasons in NBA history, and their associated scoring averages:

Russell Westbrook - 2016-17, USG% - 41.7, Scoring Average = 31.8 ppg
Kobe Bryant - 2005-06, USG% - 38.7, Scoring Average = 35.4 ppg
Russell Westbrook - 2014-15, USG% - 38.4, Scoring Average = 28.1 ppg
Michael Jordan - 1986-87, USG% - 38.3, Scoring Average = 37.1 ppg

This will tempt the Westrook fan boys to point out that by comparing Westbrook to Michael and Kobe I am just reinforcing he is one of the greatest players in the history of the game. Not so. This is not a favorable comparison. Westbrook's ridiculous USG%, number of TOVs and missed shots prove than he's not only the biggest ball hog in NBA history, but also, by a very wide margin, the least efficient. Look at how much lower his scoring averages are than Kobe's and Michael's for comparable usage rates.

Rule changes and changes in style of play have permitted Westbrook and Harden to put of these "historic" stats, both good and bad. It may win one of them the MVP (personally, as much as I hate the way he flops, I'd give it to Harden because his team is winning more and his USG% is a much more reasonable 34.2 - good for 31st all time), but it will be interesting to see how well this modern style of hero ball translates to the post season. I suspect not very well. It's too easy for good, well coached teams to shut down one player when game planning for a 7-game playoff series. I suspect that teams that share the ball and play team basketball will continue to be the ones that have the most post seasons success.

What we do know is one of them will make it past the first round, but only because they will play each other.

BNM

 

twice as many??? (0+0+0)*2 =0.

 

You are such a disingenuous troll. If Lillard was missing as many shots and turning the ball over anywhere near as much as Westbrook, you'd be posting several times a day about his shitting shot selection and careless play. Instead, you're on here slurping Westbrook's nuts.

Just look at these numbers:

Missed shots:
Westbrook = 1075
Lillard = 797

Turnovers:
Westbrook = 424
Lillard = 193

So, until Lillard starts missing 50% more shots and starts committing twice as many TOVs, you have zero right to ever criticize him ever again in this forum.

But we both know you will. It's your same tedious, tired, boring trollish act. It defines you as a poster.

BNM

 

I think Harden's style will translate to postseason play a little better than Westbrook's, because he's basically taking the Steve Nash style drive-and-kick or shoot a three to a crazy extreme. Nash didn't use possessions at Harden's rate. Houston has surrounded Harden with shooters, which is the best way to leverage this kind of ball dominance. Harden is a willing passer, it's just that everything has to run through him. Nash's Phoenix teams had ancillary handlers and distributors and Nash could play off the ball too.

That said, Harden's worst games have come against smart, organized defenses like Golden State and San Antonio, so I don't think Houston can win a title like this. Locked in defenses are better at cutting down his passing lanes and goading him into bad shots and turnovers.