MVP Race- According To The Mouth Breathers....

"Trash," lol.


Transparent phony.

 

I see what you did there. Bravo.

 

Yep, and yet several of us who have been posting here just as long as you have, have a lot more likes with a lot fewer posts. Face it, you're a high volume, low quality poster. It's OK. For someone like you, it's best to throw as much shit as possible at the wall in the hope that something sticks.

Your wife disagrees on both counts.

BNM

P.S. Sorry Mrs. HCP. That's two Mrs. HCP jokes in one day. I unusually don't participate in that nonsense, but you have to admit he deserved it.

 

I'm pretty sure that anything that says these guys are awesome counts as logic, to you. But, if "turnovers happen", and yet these guys are still amazing, then surely their assist/turnover is among league leaders, right?

Among qualifiers...

Harden: 50th in the league
Westbrick: 54th in the league

 

Near the top of the league, yes. Completely shattering the all time TOV record like Barry Bonds jacked up on steroids shattering the HR record, not so much. I mean look at these numbers:

James Harden - 2016-17 = 455 TOV (and counting)
Russell Westbrook - 2015-16 = 435 TOV (and counting)
Artis Gilmore - 1977-78 = 366 TOV (previous NBA record until Westbrook and Harden came along and CRUSHED it).
Allen Iverson - 2004-05 = 344 TOV (career high)
Jason Kidd - 1995-96 = 328 TOV (career high and only season with > 300 TOVs)
Steve Nash - 2007-08 = 295 TOV (career high, never had => 300 TOVs in a season in his 18-year NBA career).

Yes, Westbrook (and Harden) are putting up video game like numbers, both good and bad. But all the media (and the HCP) want to talk about are triple doubles. They find it convenient to ignore record TOV, record USG% and poor shooting percentages.

But that's OK. Let Westbrook and Harden have the regular season accolades, because neither one of them are winning squat in the post season. In fact, if not for the fact that they will play each other in the first round, I'd be willing to bet neither of them would make it past the first round. Good TEAMS with adequate time to prepare will beat stat padding ballhogs and gimmick offenses every time.

BNM

 

Neither Wes Unseld nor Dave Cowens were in the NBA in 1961-62 the year Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double. Cowens was 13 at the time. So, I doubt if he was stealing very many rebounds from Oscar.

One thing people forget is that there were only 8 teams back then. So, while there weren't a lot of 7-footers, over half the teams in the league had a starting center that was a future Hall of Famer. With only 8 teams the pool of talented big men wasn't nearly as diluted as it is now. Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain were 6'10" and 7'1" and both athletic freaks. That's 25% of the starting centers in the league right there. There aren't two better starting centers in the NBA right now, let alone 7.5 better (25% of 30).

BNM

 

Back when Michael Jordan played, greatness wasn't measured in triple doubles. It was measured in rings.

Think about this:

Michael: 6
Russ: 0

And before you say winning championships doesn't matter, it's all about your teammates. Russ had Kevin Durant, four time scoring champion and former league MVP as a teammate for 8 seasons, and still couldn't win a ring. And guess what, it wasn't KD that was holding Russ back. It was the other way around. Westbrook also had Kevin Durant AND James Harden as teammates for 3 seasons. Again zero rings. When it comes to the "teammates argument", Westbrook had better teammates than Jordan ever did, and still couldn't win shit.

BNM

 

The trend for smaller centers starter LATER, after the league started expanding. Again read what I wrote, Chamberlain and Russell represented 25% of the starting centers in the NBA in the 1961-62 season, and both were in their primes. They finished first and second in MVP voting that year. Name two centers that will even be in the conversation for MVP this year. You can call them "exceptions" all you want, but the fact is when Oscar averaged a triple double, 25% of the leagues centers then were way better than 25% of the staring centers today.

And rebounding isn't just about height. Dennis Rodman and Ben Wallace were two of the greatest rebounders ever and they were only 6'8". Rodman and Barkley (listed at 6'6", actual height 6' 4.5") played at a time when the league was dominated by 7' centers, yet both managed to league the league in rebounding.

BNM

 

1. damina lillard
2. nurkic
3. all those fake ass wannabe mother fuckers

 

Do you think the Cavs would be a .500 team without LBJ?
Personally I think they'd struggle to win 30 games.

 

It's been well documented that Westbrook is completely abandoning his man on defense to hunt uncontested rebounds. It's also been well documented that his teammates are simply clearing out opponents so Russ can grab more boards. It's also documented that OKC has gone from the best rebounding team in the history of the NBA last year, to barely above league average this year, in spite of Westbrook's "historic" rebounding prowess.

He's first in the league in uncontested rebounds at 7.9. That means over 75% of his rebounds are uncontested. Of those 7.0 are uncontested rebounds on shots from 13+ feet. How can that be? Easy, Westbrook is dead last in the league at contesting 3-point FGs. DeAndre Jordan has contested more 3FGs that Russell Westbrook. He's leaving his man wide open on the perimeter to hunt rebounds:

"His opp. +6.9% over expected FG% is dead last in the NBA among guards. The only other players over 4.5% are Sean Kilpatrick, Kyle Korver, and Emmanuel Mudiay."

Westbrook only gets 10+ REG/G because he's a shameless stat whore who leaves his man open on the perimeter to hunt rebounds while his teammates defer to him. Taj Gibson was recently criticized for "stealing" rebounds from Westbrook. Gibson assumed it was his job to grab rebounds, which it's always been his entire career. In OKC his TRB% has dropped to a nearly Bargnani-like 11.4%, by far the lowest of his career as his primary job is no longer to grab rebounds, it's to create rebounding opportunities for his stat padding PG.

But yeah, Westbrook will win the MVP. Gaudy numbers, more than anything else, impress MVP voters. They don't care how Westbrook gets the numbers, they just see the numbers and cast their votes.

And that's fine, let Westbrook have his MVP. It's possible for a stat whore to win the MVP, but he won't win a championship - EVER. He couldn't win one with Durant and Harden as teammates. He's certainly not winning one without them.

BNM