Politics Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador

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  1. Natebishop3

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    Technically, yes the president can de-classify anything. But if an ally shares information with the express request that it go no further, and the president decides to spout off to an unfriendly country, that ally and others may think twice, or three times, or four times, before sharing information again.

    What McMaster said, specifically, was NOT that classified or sensitive information was not shared; he said that Trump did not reveal sources or methods. Very specific. But experts, which none of us are, have said that enough information was revealed so a good intelligence service would be able to deduce source.

    And the only reason we know was that Russian media, but not American, was allowed into a meeting. The meeting in itself was unusual. Generally a foreign minister meets with the secretary of state, the US counterpart, not the president. And not only the foreign minister, the ambassador, who has been specifically named as the contact for numerous people in the Trump administration, campaign, and transition (including attorney general Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III, who lied about that under oath during his confirmation; I doubt his announced tough-on-crime measures cover lying under oath to the Senate).

    And also reportedly Trump had this unusual meeting and let in Russian media because Putin asked him to.

    I certainly agree the Trump/Russia story has gone on and on and on. That is why an independent investigation is needed, to get the facts.

    As for how Trump supporters keep backing him no matter what. My opinion, there are some "family Republicans" who always vote Republican even if the nominee was not their preference. (And yes, there are "family Democrats" as well.) There were disaffected people who thought he would bring back jobs. But a lot of his support was not based on any policy because he really had none. His only consistent planks were all unconstitutional - ban Muslims, make Mexico pay for a wall, and throw Hillary Clinton into jail. IMO he was elected by those who want to put white men back in charge, who felt that having a Black president was bad enough but a woman was an abomination. The all-male, all-white photo-ops are not tone deaf, they are playing to a base who sees all these white men and cheer. No more press 2 for Spanish. No more saying he or she. No more gay people getting married. Who cares about Russia, or the environment, or losing health care, or jobs, or getting rid of public schools?
     
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    Donald Trump is failing at a job he was never prepared to take on......dump Trump..sooner the better....I thought maybe he'd turn it around and let the adults in the room keep things stable but he's not capable of doing that....great post crandc.....I think tax breaks for the wealthy are why he's prez now and easing of environmental regulations...it's apparent his fan base is only profit driven. Fuck the disabled, seniors, environment, educators, health of our children, etc...we're going to MAKE SOME MONEY!!! To some....money is everything...all that matters.
     
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    keeping a promise is not Donald's strong suit
     
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    Okay Denny, what would be a source that you would actually find credible enough to believe?

    I'm asking for a friend.
     
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    Maybe he just forgot, like how Reagan forgot about the Contras.
     
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    Is your friend Woodward or Bernstein?
     
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    They worked for the Washington Post, right? Fake news.
     
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    at this point I doubt trump swearing under oath that he did something would convince Denny.
     
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    So now McMaster is pretty much saying he lied yesterday.
     
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    I get being skeptical of the press, I really do.

    But taking trumps tweets as word for word gospel? Holy shit lol.
     
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    Ok, ok, they were swapping perogie recipes. Nothing to see here.....
     
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    Trumps mouthpieces and his twitter feed are spin for the idiot masses. How someone could think that it isn't also "fake news" escapes me.

    Like I said before, people don't like to admit they were wrong, but they REALLY don't like to admit they were fooled. And that goes for both sides.
     
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    Trump is like Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men.

    "I think he wants to say it. I think he's pissed off that he's gotta hide from this. I think he wants to say that he made a command decision and that's the end of it. He eats breakfast 300 yards away from 4000 Cubans that are trained to kill him. And nobody's going to tell him how to run his unit least of all the Harvard mouth in his faggoty white uniform. I need to shake him, put him on the defensive and lead him right where he's dying to go."
     
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    There's a way around this.... be hyper skeptical of everything and everybody.

    I never bought into Trump because the dude seemed like a con man. He would say whatever he needed to say to get elected, and people just ate that shit up. What I don't understand is how people can just pretend like the ridiculous persona from reality TV doesn't even exist. It's not like we're dealing with some respectable businessman here. The guy would pretty much do anything for money.

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    Israel Was Source of Secret Intelligence That Trump Gave to Russians, Officials Say

    Lol and he's going to be in Israel in about a week.
     
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