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Ojeleye would be a huge reach at 26. You shouldn't really be comparing him to Leaf, as Leaf will most likely be gone by 26. You should really be comparing him to guys like Harry Giles, Jordan Bell, Bam Adebayo, Derrick White, Hamidou Diallo, and Jonathan Motley, who will be more likely to be available at 26.

Of course, who we take at 15 and 20 will play a part in who we take at 26. We need help at power forward and back up center as well as a solid wing with good length that can defend, either at SF or SG. If we go big early, we may go for a SF/SG at 26, or vise versa...

BNM

 

NBADraft is so far off. Anigbogu and Anunoby going in the 2nd, Kyle Kuzma going 16th... Rediculous.

 

I don't think he's a "huge reach" at 26 at all, I think he could be a steal, the guy has a Swiss army knife set of skills, its where the new NBA is going, I think he'd be a very good "small ball" lineup player

 

And you want to rely on a guy hitting his max jump height on every defensive play, rather than a guy who can just stand and do the same thing? I think I get your point, but aside from catching a guy on the break or possibly a weak side block, most post defense is played with very little vertical.

 

He has a bit of Royce White to his game without the off court craziness

 

Nope. With no. 8 they might get Smith or Isaac. They are worth more than not having Noah is worth.

 

Also what I have been thinking. Their prediction seems all over the place. Anunoby at 40 is ridiculous, he might not even last until our #15 and it won't be even slightly surprising.

 

The Pelton one seems more realistic than Fansided, which would make our three picks worth a fourth or fifth pick.

 

15, 26, Harkless, and Crabbe for 8, Noah, and O'Quinn.

I think they'd consider.

 

Honestly? That's a lot to give up to essentially cut 5-6 mil in salary and move 7 spots

 

If that 8 can be turned into Jonathan Isaac, it's fine. O'Quinn is basically similar level to Harkless albeit in different position. Noah is trash these days.

Thing is, Isaac will likely be taken already when pick no. 8 comes and we will be left with Monk or Smith left as the best player available and it won't be worth it as we should be addressing different areas. So in the end we will be left without a small forward other than Turner.

Not that they would do the above trade. It would make them slightly better now but long term they need to find second piece to lead the team with Porzingis. Smith, Monk, Isaac or Ntilikina could be that.

 

Two young players and two draft picks in a deep draft to get rid of a horrible contract of an injured, aging Noah and a piece that's not a part of their future in O'Quinn to move down 7 spots? Yeah, they'd consider.

There's rumors they'll try to overpay Redick a lot of cash to get him.

Why not get a younger version of him, who's age fits with the timeline in Crabbe? Harkless just turned 24 and has been a proven player. They also want Justin Jackson in the draft.

So if they had to choose between Crabbe, Harkless, Justin Jackson, and Harry Giles (26th) or Noah, O'Quinn, and Jonathan Isaac, I think they might take that first one.

 

Why will Isaac be taken when pick 8 comes up? MIN at 7 has Lavine and Wiggins on the wing and will take Markkanen. Fox, Tatum, Jackson, Fultz, and Ball will go top 5.

The only team that would take Isaac is Orlando at 6, but it's more likely they'll take one of Monk or Smith than they'll take Isaac. There's a great chance Isaac is there at 8.

I think it's more likely that one of Crabbe/Jackson/Giles would develop into that 2nd option than Isaac. Even if they don't, they're better supporting players and pieces for the future than Noah and O'Quinn. They could then land that 2nd option in next years draft.

 

If Butler gets traded to Boston, we have to try to jump into a 3-way trade and nab Crowder.

I think a deal would center around BKNs 2018 1st. We could offer Chicago extra picks to take Crowder.

Something like:
BOS Gets: Jimmy Butler
POR Gets: Jae Crowder
CHI Gets: 2018 BKN 1st, 20th Pick, 2018 POR 1st, Harkless, Leonard, Smart

We save $12M and upgrade our starting SF while only trading 20th and a future 1st. CHI valuesthe 24 year old Harkless over the soon-to-be 27 year old Crowder.
We would still have 2 picks that we could use or trade for role players (such as 26th and Napier for Kyle O'Quinn).

We'd also be far enough below the luxery tax to receive our full (~$8M) MLE to splurge on a starting PF like Amir Johnson or Zach Randolph.

If Boston trades for a star SF, we need to hop in and nab Crowder. He'd be perfect for this team and allow us to focus on other areas.

 

We should probably start Pat C over Nurkic at center. Pat can move around faster and his combined reach and jump is 4" higher than Nurkic.

I get what you are trying to say, but you have not shown any evidence that Leaf is worse at keeping his man in front of him than Semi is (both had similar DRTG in college). As I said above, if Semi was more dominant like Sir Charles, then I would give him a look. He isn't.

Per 40 (for comparison only) Leaf gets 11 boards and 1.5 blocks; Semi gets 8 and 0.5. Semi is an athletic specimen, but I don't see him using it well in basketball. There is a reason he is slipping down the draft boards.

 

Brain storming here, but I'm trying to think like NO right now, and I think we are a bit off on all of our thoughts.

The KEY is, does he believe he overpaid? Or does be believe a few guys had down years and will bounce back or improve?

I think he believes Turner is here at least one more year and still part of the potential core as our 6th man go to PG off the bench. (CJ will not be a bench guy on this team guys, sorry for those who have advocated for such a move)

I think he now realizes he overpaid for Crabbe and its low percentage he has a significant jump next year because his role will not change.

I think he still believes in Leonard. Unique skill set for a big and has been riddled with minor injuries preventing him from finding any type of rhythm. I believe NO is okay with giving him another year at least.

these are the three guys that most people believe are not playing to pay scale, right?
Aminu/Harkless/Vonleh...all on better movable/reasonable contracts that aren't cap inhibitors. Everyone else is even smaller.

Okay. So with that mindset, Crabbe is on the block. and is the player needing to be replaced.
Lets look at our lineup currently without Crabbe...

Dame/Turner/Napier
CJ/Connaughton/Quarterman
Harkless/Layman
Vonleh/Aminu/Leonard
Nurkic/Davis/Leonard


I think the team believes in Vonleh(I do too). I think he is young enough that they can talk him into buying low on a contract after next year (provided he shows continued improvement throughout next season), which will help keep a contender intact for years to come. I am also fine with Aminu and Turner as our off the bench lock down defenders, but the bench needs help in scoring if these two are going to be long term there.

So to me the improvements NO believes we need to make are in this order and really the first one is the most important and is HUGE priority number one.

Harkless joins the bench and we have an improved lock down 2 way SF (I will get to this more in a moment.)

We need an improved backup Center primarily an offensive threat as long as he can rebound and toss a body on a guy on defense. He doesn't have to be elite.

If we make these moves, e should be really close by the end of the next season as the team start to gel and continues to grow.

Guys, I actually think NO is going to go full on swinging for the moon. I think CJ eluded to it and the team was told to hush hush, so NO can do his usual closed door magic.

He is going after PG. Really. Alot of things make sense.

Crabbe/Davis plus our three picks for PG/Jefferson(salary dump for them like Crabbe is for us) and our three picks. Toss in a future 2nd if that's what it takes or some cash. I don't know. That's NO's job, but I think he is gonna go for it hard. He will have to sell all of Vonleh, Pg and Nurk on signing for less than max for the bigger picture, but if they really want to win, that's just what they will do. I think that for Nurk and PG, winning Is the most important factor and I think Dame and NO can sell them on it.
PG is a hop and a skip from his family in LA...

I actually think NO might be able to pull it off.

So let's say he does just that and our roster entering next season is this...

Dame/Turner/Napier
CJ/Connaughton/Quarterman
PG/Harkless/Layman
Vonleh/Aminu/Leonard
Nurkic/Jefferson/Leonard

That's not bad no???

And with no rookie from the draft needing a year or two to get acclimated...

Second unit needs some offensive help, but look at great teams. You nail down your stars... your starters. The role players revolve. SA,GS, CLE, etc...
Our starting five will contend with any, I think, and the second unit we tweak as needed.

I think this all might happen right before or during draft night. You can make trades on draft nights that includes players right?

 

If you put Harkless on the bench you should go ahead trade him. Due he never been good coming off the bench. He is best at starting but if you get PG he will coming off the bench. So I would throw him in as part of a trade.

 

I would prefer to send out AC, Leonard, and the 3 picks for PG. We would have our full MLE (~$8M) to sign a PF.

Then if PG leaves in the summer of 2018, we would only have to trade Turner (He'll would only have 2 years remaining) and our 2018 protected 1st to have a lot of cap space, which would make the loss of PG13 manageable.