Merged: The Draft Thread For Stuff About The Draft Including Thoughts About The Draft

Won't happen, but what do you mean worried? Worried as in you hope they do?

 

I'd love to draft a guard with two-way potential, because I think Dame and CJ could really teach them how to be a complete player offensively.

Monk, Smith, Mitchell, or F.Jackson would do great under the tutelage of McLillard.

 

LOL I cherry picked a stat? He played two seasons. It took him a year to adjust to college, sorry if I don't hold that against him. Despite all the talent around him, he was still Dukes go to guy. The offense ran through him.

I still don't buy that you've actually seen him play. From your first comment to the Redick comp, it all seems lazy, and contrived.

 

I'll call it now; Kennard goes before the Blazers are on the clock, assuming they don't trade up/out.

 

I sure hope so, because then a player who's actually good will fall.

 

I've watched him play, I just don't fantasize about limited offensive players who play no defense.

My statements are lazy and contrived? You're the one saying shit like "Despite all the talent around him, he was still Dukes go to guy. The offense ran through him." even though Allen and Tatum had higher higher usage rates than him.

Conveniently, you ignore the one season where he shoots 31% from 3pt but take in to account the season which you think supports your weak ass argument the best.

 

Scalma Logic in 2015: "Meyers shooting 42% from 3pt his 3rd year means Dirk is his floor, as Dirk never shot 42% from 3pt, and because the legend just needed 2 years to adjust to the NBA game. Now that he shot good for a year, we know what he is, and what he is, is a great 3pt shooter and 50/40/90 guy. He doesn't play defense, but who cares... defense doesn't score points, and whoever scores the most points wins."

 

I think its funny that this dude has been talking shit to other people lately, and is now coming up with lazy ass bullshit reasons why Luke Kennard's floor is a prime J.J. Redick.

And then when I call him out on this BS, he suggests I haven't watched Kennard play even though I watched at least 10x more college basketball than him in the past season.

 

Yeah I ignored his freshman season, and focused on the most recent one. How irresponsible of me.

I could say the same about you btw. Are you really trying to argue that Kennard wasn't Dukes best, most consistent player this season? He was their MVP, I don't know how that could even be argued. But I guess you can throw that cherry picked usage stat at me.

 

Cherry-picking stats is when you pick a stat that on the surface, makes your argument look stronger, but ignore the context that plays a factor in that stat and would make your argument look weaker.

For example, you cherry-pick the TS% stat and say "Kennard's and Redick's TS% were even". However, you ignore the context of: Redick scored 8 more ppg on more shots and had less talent around him to take the pressure off of him and to set him up for shots. That context makes Redick's TS% much more impressive than Kennards.

What context am I ignoring when it comes to the usage stat? You said that the offense ran through Kennard the most, but the usage stat said two of his teammates used more possessions than Kennard did, thus the offense ran more through them than Kennard. What context am I missing? I'm not saying who was the best player on the team, I'm simply proving your vague, bullshit statement wrong with a statistic.

 

If you actually watched him play, and landed on JJ Redick as your comparison....lol alright, you know all.

And I dont like people that act like they are above others, so I will continue to call them out on it. All your posts at me are aggressive, and why? Because I have different opinions? I make a simple statement that I like Kennard and you kick down the door and start coming at me, but then play victim when I snap back? Get outta here.

 

The price of moving up?

"Phoenix will send 13, 28, the draft rights to Bogdan Bogdanovic and 2020 second round pick to Sacramento for the #8 pick (Marquiss Chriss)" - 2016 Draft

With Knick fans clamoring for the #15 pick for just capspace is a little annoying. If only they knew the ego Neil has.

"Portland is looking to trade up" -Adam Zagoria

IMO this is what I expect on draft day - consolidating picks to move up. Hopefully this Knick stuff dies down.

 

And I could retort that Redick was a senior while Kennard was a sophomore. And using the surrounding talent to minimize the impact a player had? That's a two way street. Kennard took pressure off those guys just as much, if not more since he was dukes most dangerous, and consistent scorer.

And I'm not arguing who had a better season, Redick or Kennard. I'm arguing who's the better shooter.

 

Because I've seen you act condescending to others lately, and your sitting here assuming that I haven't watched Duke play in the past year because I have a different opinion of you, which is basically saying you don't think you. You said my viewpoint and comparison of J.J. Redick to Kennard was "lazy", and that my subconscious stereo-typing led me to that thought, and that you were laughing at my comments. Then you go and make lazy comparisons yourself that are extremely easy to prove wrong with one stat that doesn't need context, while you use stats that involve context and ignore them. The way you're acting in this debate is rather annoying.

As far as coming at you about the Kennard comment, it was just an extension of the previous argument about Carmelo and his great spot-up shooting. You also like Crabbe more than any other poster on this board, so I noticed you have an affinity for spot-up shooters that struggle defensively.

 

Yeah, I can't believe these Knick fans really think #15 in a great draft would be possible for taking on salary. All these Knick fans expecting #15 to take on Turner wouldn't even trade #26 to get rid of Noah. They'd expect a team to take him for a 2nd rounder.

 

My hope for draft pick positioning is that we trade all 3 of our picks for a mid-lottery selection, then trade our 2018 1st to a team with multiple picks in the late 1st-early 2nd such as Orlando (25, 33, 35) or Utah (24, 30), or we give a good team at the back end of the draft the right to swap 2018 1sts with us for a late 1st (for example: Utah gets right to swap 1sts with POR in 2018, POR gets 30th pick). Swapping 2018 1sts to get another pick in the 2017 draft would still allow us to trade our 2019 1st.

If we did trade our 2018 pick, I'd want it to be lottery (or at least top 12) protected, in both a straight up trade or a swapping situation.

 

As I said in the Harkless thread Knick fans on Realgm think they're going to get the 15th for taking just Harkless, it's hilarious. We probably sound the same when we think we can get PG for our picks and garbage, though.

 

We're not trying to dump bad contracts with picks.
We're not trying to dump Harkless' contract.
We're not trying to trade #15 unless it moves up.

Trading #15 with Harkless as a cap dump is so ridiculous... Us getting Paul George is 100 times more plausible, as we probably have a 5% chance of landing him, and the Knicks have a .05% chance of convincing Olshey to dump Harkless with the 15th pick.

 

Let's open a thread to compare Reddick and Kennard!

 

Yes, as I said, I snapped back, but that was a reaction to your snarky little comment. I don't say anything to anyone unless they come at me.

I still think the comparison is lazy, not because your opinion is different than mine, but because they're different type of players. Would you still compare the two if Kennard wasn't white and from duke? Answer that honestly. But we can just end this convo, because it's not going to go anywhere.