Merged: Who would you give up for Paul George?

Ah yes, the known commodity of Cleveland's future first round pick where you gamble that Lebron and your all Star leave.

 

They're already loaded with shit contracts and won't be looking to sign a big free agent for a couple years. Turner's contract doesn't hurt them.

Cleveland could offer a 2021 1st at the earliest.

Two late firsts in this draft is like two picks between 12 and 18 in a normal draft. Pretty valuable I'd say.

 

The trade is about the draft picks, not the players. Also:

Love = $21M/year
Turner = $16M/year

Big difference when neither player is particularly wanted. But I'd be fine swapping in Crabbe, who ALSO makes several million less than Love.

 

Bad defender, inefficient from 2pt, slightly above average 3pt shooter, good rebounder... He's not that great.

Why would Indiana want him though? And why would Chicago want him if they're trading Butler? Love doesn't make sense for a rebuilding team and no team is going to give up enough rebuilding assets to get Butler traded from CHI without just taking Butler for themselves. George is a definite possibility, with Love going to a 3rd team. But not Butler.

 

I'll believe it when I see it.

With that said, I don't see the value unless Portland wants to pony up other assets. Cleveland is not the only team out there. I can see teams like Denver, Houston, Phoenix making similar or better offers, all under the impression that they can (and will probably fail) to convince George to stay. I would rather Portland stay out of the bidding war.

 

What a loser.

 

I'd like some of what you're having if you think Turner and Love are similar value players, even at their respective contracts. Love still produces numbers at an all-star level, on a team that minimizes his contributions. Turner is not even a starter on a 41 win team.

I'm not going to debate this any further. The notion is just asinine to me.

 

how much less with trade kicker?

 

Not comparing the players at all - just pointing out that Turner is a $5M savings per year over Love. If you don't want either player, pay the lower of the two salaries rather than the higher.
I think Turner SUCKS for the Western Conference, but is an okay EC player. Love is like Lamarcus - once you get beyond the raw per game stats, he doesn't do anything to make his team better. They are stars in name only. I think the league has finally figured that out.

 

He doesn't have to be that great to trump mediocre draft picks. Just because it's a good draft doesn't make any first rounder gigantically valuable.

Because teams almost never engage in the fan mindset of "Either we're winning the title or we're trying to be the worst team possible for the #1 pick." Love gives them a player in his prime to retool around, along with Myles Turner. Indiana, under Bird, has never embraced burning the team down to the foundations and starting over. They've preferred to at least be respectable and build from there. More to the point, Indiana isn't going to have a lot of great options. When the other options are "terribly overpaid players plus one or two poor first rounders," Love makes plenty of sense.

 

I think honestly what it comes down to is that a lot of Blazer fans have an elevated view of the perceived value of our picks and players. Not uncommon among fanbases obviously.

I just don't think our pieces are very valuable unless they're willing to pony up the kitchen sink.

 

Dame/PG/CJ/Nurk >>> (Younger) Dame/LaMarshmallow/Injured Wes/Rolo

 

This has probably been posted already but Lowe said on his podcast he thinks Portland will try for George. Arnowitz said Portland could put together the best package. Called Harkless and Aminu "good ass contracts" and proposed those two and a first. Lowe said maybe two firsts. Then Lowe mentioned Crabbe. Both agreed the holdup is skepticism whether they could hold on to him, but they said it might be worth the risk.

 

yes

 

Personally i would love to see a Lillard/CJ/PG/Aminu/Nurkic lineup.

 

That's intriguing that he brought up Portland and Cleveland as the two places that could sway PG to stay.

 

Our picks are not being overvalued by us.

Robert Williams and Miles Bridges were predicted to go between 11 and 14 this year. Next year they'll go top 7.

Subtract the pick by 6 and that's how good our draft picks are in a normal draft. We essentially have #9, #14, and #20.

 

Put anyone other than Aminu in there and I agree.

 

If we got PG for #20, #26, and Crabbe, what do we do after that?

Do we trade #15, a 2019, and Harkless for a good PF? Who would we target?

Maybe a sign and trade with Harkless, Leonard, Aminu, and a 2018 1st for Millsap?

 

And by 2019-20 it is a 7 million savings between Love and either Crabbe or ET