Around the NBA - July 2017 Edition

He's Gallinari with much better defense and the ability to create for teammates. That would be an exciting player to get, yeah.

 

The Kings could get their shit together enough to challenge for the 8th seed if a couple of those rookies come to play early. Great job by the Kings front office on the rebuild.

 

Dame's best season defensively was 2014-2015, when we still had Wes, Nic, Rolo, and LMA.

He posted a DRtg of 105 and a DWS of 3.3.

That's right there with the best numbers that Hayward has put up defensively, but he's a MUCH MUCH better offensive player than Hayward.

 

Honest question, have you watched any Jazz games besides when they have played Portland?

 

Check the stats man. When Dame had a decent defensive team around him, he put up the same numbers as Hayward. The Jazz didn't really improve until they added a very good rim protector. Defense is just as much about system as it is about individual effort.

 

I check stats all the time. Anybody can warp them into supporting whatever they want all day.

Lillard sucks at defense, hayward has shown times of struggling but is not anywhere near a liability on d like dame is. You'd know that by watching the games.

 

Dame literally defends the most talented position in the NBA.

What stat do you put credence in, or are you only willing to accept anecdotal?

 

Hayward improved all areas of his game this season. He went from borderline all star to superstar. He plays both ends. I don't know if he's a better player than Dame when you take everything into account, but he's definitely better than CJ.

 

This is correct. System matters. It's when you have a great system with guys who completely buy in, that you get great defensive teams

 

Don't forget the "slightly worse O" and "no ability to play smallball 4"

 

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Why do you say he has no ability to play smallball 4? At 6'8'' and with better defense than a lot of current smallball (or regular ball) power forwards, I definitely think he could.

 

I look at the stats too. But i laugh at people that say oh this is why the stats were this way or that way. Because you can literally say that about everything.

I hate it when dudes try to prove everything on a stat. It's a piece of the pie, but as you tried to explain away Gobert being the main reason haywards rating is what it is, it is only a piece of the puzzle.

 

The Blazers don't want anything to do with players that are already developed like Heyward though.

 

Is he really 6'8"? Because he doesn't look it.

I don't get why he eliminated Miami. It seems to me that's the place that needs him most and that he'd make the most difference to.

 

Here's a Jazz fan complaining about Hayward's defense. Have to say that the reasoning seems suspect, as perhaps somebody can explain:

What? Gordon's defense is SO BAD he costs the Jazz around 8 points a game from what just an average starter does. You asked ONLY if he was one of those good options to answer from lol no bad options were listed to answer from. Gordon is a very BAD defender! The proof is in the numbers. They tell you what happened on the court. Gordons d-rating is 107. Doesn't sound too bad, does it? But then consider that he spends 2/3 of his time playing alongside Rudy Gobert, who's rating is 101. So just in the small amount of time when Rudy isn't out there with him, to save him, we see that hes giving up 3 baskets on his own. BUT thats whike not even factoring in the part of that time he still has Favors out there with him, who has a 103 rating, meaning Favors prevents 2.5 points per 100 possessions under avg too. So by Gordon bringing that number all the way up to 107, due to the time Favors isn't out there lowering some of that either we can see hes costing even 4 more points over avg to be scored on himself. Factoring in playing with everyone he does all together, Hayward is 7 to 8 points per game below average as a defender. He costs the Jazz that many points by himself each game.

 

For all you know that could be their mixum. Watch the games and make ypur own opinion

 

No, I most certainly did not. Perhaps you forgot Gordon Hayward isn't exactly a lock down defender either.

Dame is the better player overall and would easily still be our best player if we somehow got Gordon Hayward.

BNM

 

It's not just Gobert, Hayward benefited by being surrounded by great defenders. The reason UTA was so much better this past season is that they added George Hill. They were 33-16 in games Hill played and 18-15 in games he didn't. Gobert, Hill and Favors are all excellent defenders.

And yes, I have watched the games. Hayward is an excellent player, but not a good defender. You saw how much adding Nurk did to our team defense. Imagine how much Hayward benefited from playing with Gobert, Favors and Hill. Surround Dame with three great defenders and suddenly his defense becomes a lot less of an issue.

BNM