The super Melo to Portland thread + The Big Blockbuster

So are we getting Ryan Anderson or is this trade cooling? I wish I could see Neil phone screen.

 

Great post....!

 

Ellis has shot above league average from three twice in his career. His rookie year, and his last full season in GSW.
Rest of the time he's been well below league average. He is a non-shooting ball dominate guard who can't play off the ball due to his lack of range.
CJ has shot above league average his entire NBA career. With three straight seasons of over 40% from three.
It allows him to play off-the-ball and still perform at peak effectiveness.

His defense is questionable, but that's where the comparison between CJ & Ellis end.
CJ doesn't need the ball in his hands to impact the game. Unlike Ellis, who has shown over his entire career he needs the ball in his hands to impact the game.

Curry & Ellis didn't work because not only were they both a defensive liability. But Ellis was also a non-shooter who would take the ball out of Curry's hands.
KD took the ball out of Curry's hands, but he also opened up the floor even more for Curry. Where Ellis is basically Aminu out on the perimeter.

Subjective much?
Bowen started for the Spurs because he'd always draw the teams best perimeter player. point or wing it didn't matter. That was how BB made a living.
Manu was a great offensive player, but to say he was also a great defender is pretty silly. He had pieces around him that allowed him to play a certain way on defense.
I don't understand how you don't think those pieces helped prime-Manu defensively.. Which by the way, everyone except you, including analysts can see.

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Also by the way. Bowen also would take guards like Nash over Manu.
There is some video on the internet that shows highlights of the series where Nash got checked by Horry.
Certainly looks like Bowen is guarding Nash, not Manu. I guess there goes your argument that Bowen wouldn't take the teams best perimeter offensive player.

 

Dwight agrees with you and while he may not normally be right I think you both are this time.

http://www.csnnw.com/portland-trail...rything-possible-avoid-utahs-hayward-calamity

 

Subtracting an all-star level player to add one results in a net gain of 0 all-star players. How do we add one?

 

Collins being a legit "Franchise Building Block" is going to be so important to this team, like could be completely pivotal.

 

It has never happened. You have a point there.

I would not actively shop either, but if I had a chance to get another guard who could create his own shot and play much better defence in trade for CJ, and said guard wanted to be in Portland, I think this would increase the teams chances of winning a title.

But, since I haven't seen that opportunity, we have to work with what we have. I think Dame and CJ could be the starting backcourt of a contending team, but every other player would have to be a plus defender. True that it has never been done, but it could be. Much less likely though if you fill up the rest of the roster with minus defenders.

 

We won't. At best you can hope Nurkic develops into one or that Collins becomes one. Barring that, you start thinking about what takes to compete in a few years and structure your roster, contracts and assets to take advantage of the eventual Golden State decline.

 

How the fuck do we blow up the team? Jeez dude. I made a suggestion 4 days ago involving a 4 for 2 and you changed it to a 6 for 1 and made shit up. You're yet another homer that overvalues what we have.. I'm not even gonna participate with you rook. Bye now.

 

Haha

#triggered

 

Welp, this rumor has now passed the survivability threshold with nothing happening. Time to call it:

 

Not sure I've ever seen a mod respond to another poster like this.

 

Our players don't have much trade value? Shocker.

 

We have a shit ton of guards. Someone like Paul George would have been perfect. There is a lot of balance to a Dame/George/Nurk franchise. Unfortunately that didn't work out, and I wouldn't have offered CJ anyway under the current circumstances.

 

I have.

 

There's a lot of balance of we had forwards if Jae Crowder and Amir Johnson too. That's type of setup is what I'm after.

 

Yeah, those pieces (like Tim Duncan) helped Bowen too. It's silly to pretend that it's one or the other--either you were good or your teammates helped you. You can be good/great and helped by having good teammates around you. I fully agree that having a great defensive system and good teammates helped Ginobili--just as he helped them by being an excellent defender. Ginobili was a star because he was a very good offensive and very good defensive player. He wasn't an overpowering enough offensive player that he would have been a star as a bad defender. He was a lot like Andre Iguodala--not a superstar scorer, but did everything well, on offense and defense. He wasn't at Iguodala's level defensively, but he was still very good.

 

Yeah, I wasnt pestering the hell out of him though.