The super Melo to Portland thread + The Big Blockbuster

Another reason why your comparison makes no sense.

 

Which is why, if PA is willing to pay a shit ton of tax to get an all-star in the draft, I'd support it.

 

That is most certainly not what happened. You started with a very lop-sided trade in which we had way more going out than coming in, then you said you wanted to clear cap space on top of that by attaching draft picks, so you could make room for Jeremy Lin, Booker and a free agent to be named later (whom I told you to come up free agents.)

In the end, I believe your end goal was to trade

Meyers/Crabbe/V0nleh/Turner/Future 1st/Aminu and Davis for

Cap space (which you believed would be James Johnson, which I said its more likely we would get someone like Tucker, who took a discount to play with OKC), Lin and Booker.

That's just from my memory though, you're welcome to check the stats, rook.

 

@Wizard Mentor You have a huge amount of basketball knowledge, experience, and wisdom, and outside a few wacky trade proposals, you're usually spot on. But here, you're just wrong, and you should change your tune.

Overpaying ET was not his greatest mistake. Re-signing Butters was.

 

I've yet to see a guy make an all-star team before getting drafted.

 

There's middle ground to this debate: You only trade C.J. if you are getting a similar star talent back at a position that better balances the Blazers.

 

Because it's probably our best bet at competing for a title.

How many titles do you think GSW would have right now if they hadn't been pioneers? When Mark Jackson was coaching them, he was forcing Steph Curry to play as a traditional PG. Forcing him to be both the #1 option on offense and the #1 distributor was wearing him down. He was using Draymond Green as a traditional, undersized, back up 4, averaging just 1.9 APG. They were a 51-win first round exit team.

Along comes Steve Kerr, he moves Curry off the ball and starts running the offense through a 6'7" PF/small ball center. With the same roster, they jump to 68 wins and an NBA championship. Prior to that no one had ever won a championship with their PF leading the team in assists. They were pioneers.

If the current paradigm isn't working for you, change the paradigm. Just because no one else has done it doesn't mean you can't.

Dame and C.J. are the best thing to happen to this franchise since the 3rd quarter of the 2000 WCF. They are both very talented, intelligent, hard working and want to be here. Are they perfect? No, but few players are and the one's that are aren't walking through that door. Build a roster around them that compliments their strengths and compensates for their weaknesses. Nurk was a GREAT first step. The team plays so much better at both ends with him on the floor. He could be our Draymond - not the same type of player, but the type that makes it so much easier for the rest of our players to excel at what they do best - the way Draymond allows Curry to play off the ball and just do what he does best. Steph Curry would have never won a scoring title an MVP or a championship with Mark Jackson's traditional system in place.

If Zach Collins can become an above average 2-way player at the 4, that's the next step. Then we need to get an above average SF. Doesn't need to be a superstar, but someone who keeps the opposing defense honest and plays above average defense. With Nurk, we potentially have our Big 3. It's not the same as anyone else's Big 3, but we also don't have a LeBron James or Kevin Durant to build around. Trying to replicate those teams success/systems is wasted effort. Don't be an inferior copy of something else, be the best you you can be.

Long live the pioneers!

BNM

 

Link?

 

I suggested trading Meyers, Aminu, Turner, Vonleh and a future 1st for Lin and Booker. Nowhere did I include Davis or Crabbe. That's what I'm saying, you're making shit up. We have too many rotation players as is, and trading 3 rotation players for 2 isn't lopsided and doesn't DESTROY the team (you sure do love the word destroy).

I also brought up the type of players that it would be nice to try and Sign and Trade for (which is only possible if we're under the Luxery Tax) or guys we could've pursued with a full MLE (that we get if were under the luxery tax. I was also talking about the type of players we could go after with the cap space we would recieve next summer.

Your memory fails you, and I tried pointing this out at the time and you didn't reply, just too come back with the same BS.

 

I guess I really like the idea of CJ and Lillard playing out their careers together. The one thing that could help them the most to be successful would be to replace Crabbe with a two way guard who is tremendous defensively. It's really sad that we couldn't have got Avery Bradley somehow. It seems that someone like him could play with either CJ or Lillard 30 minutes a game and help cover up for their defensive deficiencies..

 

You know what I'm saying, but fine, I'll add "a realistic chance at an All-Star" from now on to help with context.

 

LOL

 

LMAO

 

Yep, plus they both seem to like and respect the guy. That would have been a great 3-guard line up.

Again, don't blow up the Dame and C.J. combo, surround them with players that compliment their strengths and compensate for their deficiencies (Exhibit A: Jusuf Nurkic). Those guys don't grow on trees, but they are still a lot easier to obtain than an all star or superstar.

BNM

 

Sending out CJ for PG with no guarantee of an extension, is a fools errand.

 

Which is why I specifically said I wouldn't have done it under the current circumstances.

 

I am at work and don't have time unfortunately but I would love to see someone take every single top 5 pick in the last 15 or so years and then tell me what percentage of them ever went to even 1 all star game. My guess would be around 30-40%. So 60-70% shot you don't get one (in this hypothetical scenario). I would love to be wrong though since it is just a guess.

 

According to the previous two pages of this thread, what we need is defense. I concur. So no. I hope.

 

Another interesting question: how many top 5 picks re-sign with the team that drafted them?