Comparing Collins to another former lottery pick by the Blazers

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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Some people have thrown out different names when comparing Zach Collins, but I'm seeing another long power forward from our past.

    Here are their pre-draft measurements:

    Player X:
    6'10" w/o shoes
    6'11 1/4" with shoes.
    Weight 234 lbs
    Wingspan 7'4 3/4"
    Standing reach 9'2"

    Collins:
    6'10 1/4" w/o shoes
    7'0" w/ shoes
    Weight 232 lbs
    Wingspan 7'1"
    Standing reach 9'3"

    Stats from freshman season:

    Player X:
    9.9 ppg
    5.9 rebounds
    1.1 steals
    1.5 blocks
    22 minutes per game

    Collins:
    10.0 ppg
    5.9 rebounds
    0.5 steals
    1.8 blocks
    17.2 minutes per game

    This player went on to average 15 ppg, 9.2 rebounds, 1.4 steals, and 2 blocks per game as a sophomore before being drafted by the Blazers.

    In his rookie season:

    Player X averaged 9 ppg, 5 rebounds, 1.2 blocks, and shot 50% from the floor in 22 minutes per game. They only started 22 games in their rookie season.

    The next year they went on to average 17.8 ppg, 7.6 rebounds, 1.2 blocks, and shot 48% from the floor as a starter.

    Hopefully Collins can follow a similar trajectory (in some ways.)
     
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    One thing is for sure, he's not looking like the person they compared him to on draft day - Bill Lambier.
     
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  3. Natebishop3

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    Yeah, that's not really a realistic comparison.

    Do you recognize the stats of Player X though?
     
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    Not immediately no, but I'm more focused on scarfing this food down before lunch is over.
     
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    I would hope Collins has more of a Rasheed game personally (even though he and LMA are also close in style some key differences emerge).
     
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    Shitty personality aside, I see a lot of comparisons between what they did in college, and what they could potentially do in the NBA.

    I was trying to find Aldridge's summer league stats, but it's hard to go back that far.
     
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    Aldridge averaged 11.8 ppg, 7 rebounds, 2.2 assists, 1 steal, 1.8 blocks and shot 48% from the floor in 33 minutes per game. He only played in 5 games.

    His second summer league was better, but he only played one game:

    16 ppg, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks, and he shot 58.3% from the floor.
     
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    Comparing Collins to Aldridge in their first summer league:

    Aldridge - 11.8 ppg, 7 rebounds, 2.2 assists, 1 steal, 1.8 blocks and shot 48% from the floor in 33 minutes per game. He had a 19.77 PER, a 123 ORtg, a 102 DRtg, BLK% of 4.83 and a TS% of 54

    Collins - 7.5 ppg, 6.5 rebounds, 1 assist, 2.5 steals, 3 blocks and is shooting 20% from the floor in 29.6 minutes per game. He has a 6.6 PER, a 59.5 ORtg, a 71.5 DRtg, a 9.04 BLK% and a TS% of 22.5.

    So in terms of the advanced stats, Collins is elite. Our eyes are not deceiving us. His offense is HORRIBLE, but I'm hoping it will improve.
     
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    LaMarsha.

    I looked this up right after we drafted Collins, as I had kind of felt like they were similar coming out of college. I like Collins' D and want him to grow on offense, but he can at least slash to the hoop for now. With CJ, Dame, and Nurk on the floor, we don't need a ball-centric PF on the floor, but one that is capable of scoring if need be. It's why I'd highly consider starting one of the rooks at PF if either can play decent D.
     
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    The Texas Turncoat?
     
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    As as freshman at ND, Laimbeer posted 8.2 pts and 7.9 reb in 19 min. FWIW, Laimbeer averaged only 20 min, 6.4 pts and 5.5 reb as a senior. I'm pretty sure ZCollins would have beat that if he stayed at Gonzaga.

    Not fair to compare freshman ZCollins with prime Laimbeer.
     
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    LaMarsha, but with a pair of balls.
     
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    It's interesting to look at Rasheed's freshman numbers:

    PPG: 9.5
    RPG: 6.6
    BLK: 1.8
    STL: 0.7
    AST: 0.5
    MPG: 20.9
     
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    Looks familar
     
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    But Rasheed wasnt playing against Portland State, Pepperdine, Pacific, etc etc on a regular basis.
     
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    What are you trying to say about my alma mater?!?!
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Dean Smith called Sheed the most NBA ready player coming out of high school he ever saw in all his years of coaching.

    So, it's not really surprising that Zach Collins isn't quite up to that level.

    BNM
     
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