For the most part I would say the political discussions are very civil here. But I'm always interested if finding ways to improve this.
Insulting a politician I don't like is truth. Insulting a politician I do like is unproductive and just nastiness.
Well enlighten me. I can't think of what I might have said that would justify the Trump hate. So put it out there, let us see if there is justification for all to see.
I don't have anything in mind. Just asked if you wanted to put some money up on it because being the sly gambling dog that I am seems like an easy bet. I ain't digging thru your old posts for free.
Yeah, well this site is ran a little better than most other sites I frequent. Also, I probably have a different view of civil than most others. For me it's not just cussing and name calling. When all a person can do is throw crap your way like an ape in a zoo, I don't see this as being a civil conversation. It's more angry and hate filled imo.
I think you and I have tried to find that common ground.......up to a point. We like Petrie, sailing etc, etc. And that's good enough for me. Hey, I've always said I'd buy you a beer (or three) if we were ever to meet and I have never wavered from that (and am still waiting). And I don't particularly (and truly) care what your (or anyone else's) politics are so long as all sides are permitted to express their opinions and the discourse remains civil (again, to a point. I'm the first to admit that talking generally respectful smack has it's place). I know I'm not going to change your current opinions about the general state of things in America and you certainly aren't going to change my opinions either. I just refuse to be talked down to. So....for the most part anyway....I try to keep my sense of humor (difficult to do for any of us right now) and more or less go with the flow. Personally, I've grown tired of pissing into the wind and I suspect more than a few other posters feel the same way........except for those to whom political discourse is a contact sport (we all know who they are). I think that number is coalescing into a very few.......and that's a good thing For the health of this website.
MarAzul, you are correct, we just don't see eye to eye on political issues. But I love your naval threads and much of the rest of your input. I even appreciate your political input, I just think you are very wrong. I have not discussed my family history here with Trump but feel free to google Johnathon Benanav who was my uncle and died working for Trump 28 years back. There was much said and done in the aftermath of that helicopter crash by Trump that was abhorrent and cost our family honor and fortune. However today, I do see Trumps actions as having a much more pervasive and long lasting effect than you losing insurance. And if Trump had his way, 22 million more people would lose their insurance. So, none of the options are great, but I see Trump as being horrendous. But the part about me thinking Trump is a horrible person, that comes from his actions as a cheat, a scoundrel and a liar. He has done many things I would never imagine you would do because you have pride in your self. But, all this is neither here nor there, because it gets to the point I was making, I am never going to change your view and you will never change mine on this topic. So cheers, and keep sailing and posting about all things seafaring.
When you are harmed in some way that you think it exceeds the harm you must know that I feel was done to my wife and I in losing the healthcare which was compensation for 35 years of work, please point it out explicitly. I expect it will be a disaster for many more than just you. But make sure we all see it.
I do feel bad for you and your wife, but when you say that it is a disaster for many more, the numbers don't back that up. Sure, individually there are plenty of instances, but far more people are covered today than before. But I do understand, that to the individual, that is of little comfort. I was on the other side of that coin.
Wow! it is not an individual thing. It was millions of people that were fucked! They were screwed by the people in power. People that were screw who had done the right thing for themselves, people the government have no right to screw. You can't say more people were served by the action than were screwed and call that justifiable. Well maybe you can. I see river likes your shit so perhaps you guys can justify it and feel good. I see nothing in the Constitutions that gives the federal government to power to fuck with my health insurance nor my compensation from my employer, or yours for that matter.
Well you see, I can never understand how you guys see good in this move. It is beyond me. Now go fuck yourself.
telling someone that IS harm done....no one required an explanation....negativity to a forum member is negativity...own it
That's back to the topic of this thread, we just don't come close to seeing eye to eye. Some of your beliefs baffle me. And mine baffle you. It's not stubbornness or disrespect, it's that we truly are seeing this world through very different lenses. (mine or clear and yours are sooty. kidding). Good luck MarAzul, I hope we get rid of insurance all together and replace it with universal healthcare. Then you can have yours, I can have mine, barfo can have his and Denny and complain about Hillary. See you in the non-political threads.
