Merged: Crabbe Traded to Brk

I think his point was under the assumption that he's healthy. If Gordon is, he can take all of Crabbe's minutes and do a lot more with them. Everyone knows Gordon is injury prone it's undeniable, but you know what else is undeniable? Gordon is a better player in almost every aspect. He's just simply a better player injuries or not.

 

But what if they can't GET Harkless? Are they going to hold onto Melo and not get anything in return? Seems like getting two HOU draft picks is better than nothing. Neither NYK nor HOU are in the driver's seat on this.

But fine, assuming we give up Harkless, then it should look like this (with Meyers/Vonleh still standing in for the TPE):

 

If Gordon was not injury prone, he wouldn't be getting paid just 13 mil/yr. But it still is a huge factor

 

If the offers are also nothing? Why not hold onto him and let him walk? That clears cap space even more effectively.

 

Because draft picks.

 

Did you miss the part where the TPE can't be part of a package deal?

BNM

 

or, think of it as part of a previous deal:

Nurkic + 1st + Nicholson contract for Crabbe + Plums

Seems more than fine to me. Stretch Nicholson, use Crabbe contract to pay Nurk.

Of course, I wish we got another 2nd rounder, but it is what it is.

 

Exactly! We don't have to give NYK Harkless just because they want him. They can either take a shit sandwich with a couple HOU picks attached, or they can hold their dicks for a year and watch the Melo circus unfold. They aren't in ANY position to demand Harkless.

 

That was his market value before last season. After playing over 2300 minutes and winning Sixth Man of the Year, I don't think it's unreasonable to think his market value has increased.

BNM

 

There are qualifiers for almost every contract in the NBA that isnt a max deal. If Brooklyn wasnt so desperate AC wouldnt be making 19m per. See? it's really easy to do that. Of course if Gordon was always healthy he'd probably be a max or near max player, but he's not always healthy, so he isnt paid to his skill level.

 

We'd just do the TPE for Gordon first, and then the rest of the trade would go through as a separate deal.

 

I can't imagine this is the only domino to fall. They're trying to improve the roster and I don't think Dame/CJ would be pleased if we dumped Crabbe for nothing.

I think maybe we have been putting pressure on Houston to do Ariza/Gordon/filler for Harkless/pick maybe?

If we're losing Crabbe and Harkless and gaining Ariza/Gordon, that gives us a couple of vets who will help us in the playoffs. Start Ariza in place of Harkless and give Gordon all the minutes we had been giving Crabbe.

 

But they dodn't stand alone in his proposed trade. In his proposed trade, we are sending the $12.9 million TPE to NYK, but only getting $4.3 million in returning salary from the Knicks.

BNM

 

Are we really that much better replacing Crabbe/Hark with Ariza/Gordon? Me thinks....probably not.

 

The reason to send out Harkless would be, in my mind, to...
1) get Gordon
+
2) get Ariza
+
3) rid ourselves to $3.5 mil to get us under the LT.

If we can do that, then yes, but I also want Ariza in your trade scenario, and the Knicks don't want him.

 

I think Ariza/Gordon are more consistent than Harkless/Crabbe. Hell, Gordon just won 6th man of the year. What was our problem last year (well, one of our problems...)? Our production off the bench was inconsistent as hell. I think Gordon would help with that immensely (if he stays healthy.)

 

Ah. In my original trade I just had Gordon coming here, and used Meyers/Vonleh to simulate the TPE that would go to HOU...but I couldn't have M/V's salary going to HOU. Then in my haste to respond to the Harkless issue, I added NYK players coming back without taking into account the TPE issue.

 

#1, i dont give a shit about luxury tax relief. If PA gave a shit about that then he should have never signed those contracts in the first place. We just essentially traded 20 million dollars against our salary cap for absolutely nothing.
#2, we can cut pat and get a roster spot. a roster spot is meaningless in this example.
#3, "hopefully" doesnt really work out that often around here.

whatever.