I'm admittedly very ignorant when it comes to healthcare so bare with me. I read about how many people are going to die if Obamacare is repealed. Granted, I lean left now that the fuck stick idiot is President, and a lot of my news intake comes from left leaning entities now, but I can't stop thinking to myself - Obamacare has been around for a relatively short period of time. Why are so many people going to supposedly die now that it might get repealed? What the fuck did we all do to stay alive prior? Again, I'm ignorant about this, but I'm certainly interested. It just doesn't add up to me all things considered. The VAST majority of my life there was no Obamacare. Why now is it such a big deal?
No. Why is it such a big deal that it's possibly going to be repealed when we lived without it for basically ever? I know your stance on it, I've read your posts, and I actually do have sympathy for what happened. It's super fucked up. But I do think you're one track minded here considering you couldn't comprehend my original post. Not trying to be mean, but you totally missed the point
Is this the general sentiment? Is this the core motivation, principal, belief, perhaps without the anger? Listen, I've had health insurance through my employer or through my ex wife, or through my parents before that. That's 42 years. I legit have no idea what's going on. But I want to. And this site is a great place to ask, believe it or not. Does this guy, at his core, represent the anti-Obamacare fundamental principle? I'm not saying he's right or wrong. I'm just asking
Ha! Of course I got your point. And of course you are right, it isn't a big deal to repeal Obama care. The damn thing harmed more people that it helped in the end. And the end is real near one way or the other. Repealing it is the only logical way to begin to proceed, but even so, it cannot undo the harm already done. But eventually we must move forward.
Then why did the CBO report (which I had to look up what that even was) report X amount of thousands of people will die if Obamacare is repealed? That seems like a big deal and from what I can tell the CBO is pretty legit. My question is would they have supposedly died if Obamacare never existed?
It's certainly been "reported" that they did I think you know that. Are you saying it's made up by media?
Guessing it has to do with the cuts in medicade right? Logic might dictate people would die without it?
I've heard the pundits make that kind of claim. The CBO says that millions will stop paying for health care they may not want, that $400B is not borrowed by the government, since it can't already pay its bills without borrowing, and that premiums actually go down after the second or third year. I think you were close to the point. There's no appreciable reduction in the death rates from before ObamaCare. People without insurance got care anyway. It's also rather deceptive. If Bernie Sanders had his way, hundreds of millions would not have insurance. The focus on insurance is misplaced.
It seems to be Democrats interpreting the reports or pundits. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q= CBO Report People will die&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&as_rights=
In fact, ObamaCare seems to have increased the mortality rate and lowered life expectancy. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/01/health/american-death-rate-rises-for-first-time-in-a-decade.html
Simple question: The mandate is the reason these people have healthcare, right? Was it because healthcare became more affordable to individuals under Obamacare so the mandate "worked?" In their eyes? Yet, if there's no mandate going forward, but someone is already "signed up" why would they lose their healthcare? It's obvious that Trump is not a mental giant, but in his slight defense, this shit is really confusing as he marginally confesssed to
A lot of people got some of their insurance subsidized. Obama promised that ObamaCare would save the government money, you can keep your doctor (etc), and would save the average family $2500/yr. None of those things are true. The CBO was wrong about the savings the scheme promised. Again, I think the focus on insurance is the mistake. If you want people to have care, deliver actual care. If 30M people no longer have coverage, but they can afford to pay the doctor bills, is it a bad thing? The paying the doctor bills part is the care thing. Millions of people lost their insurance because of ObamaCare rule changes. I know a couple hundred realtors who lost their insurance, paid more than before, and had worse coverage (paid more premiums, higher deductibles, higher copays, etc. Their insurance simply wasn't offered anymore. If the rules change again, it is presumed that the insurance policies will change accordingly. I previously/recently showed how riverman could save thousands of dollars over ObamaCare by simply buying a catastrophic health insurance policy (with high deductible, no copays, etc.) and paying for the doctor visits and tests himself. The premiums saved easily pay for the doctor and tests. The insurance policy would limit his expense in case of heart surgery or some other really expensive ordeal.
Am I wrong in thinking people that couldn't afford healthcare prior to Obamacare could afford it after
Some people could afford the new insurance, some people couldn't. Not everyone bought the mandated insurance. Tens of millions didn't. Health care? People get sick and go to the doctor, with or without insurance. For the most part. http://www.kff.org/uninsured/fact-sheet/key-facts-about-the-uninsured-population/ (10.5% x ~330M, they cite 27M+ under age 65 as still uninsured)
I'm trying to answer your question directly. This chart speaks to how people can afford to pay for care, after ObamaCare.
Well the Republicans lead by my man Rand Paul voted to repeal Obama Care today. Not one Democrat was smart enough to vote aye, which was expected. But Damn, seven Rhinos voted nay! Susan Collins whom we have heard from lately, John McCain the lead Rhino, and Lamar Alexander! Four others but Alexander surprises me, I never had him as a a Obama Care guy. They all voted to repeal the last time the Senate voted on repeal. There is a fix coming for McCain but I imagine Trump will spend time and treasure to campaign against these other dudes next primary. I hope it is painful.
