Politics Civil War part 2! Which side will you fight for?

Who wants celebrities' views on politics? Elitists!

 

Hawaii has mulled secession for decades...they are not happy with the immigration policy nor do they feel they are anything like the mainland culture...there are homeless native Hawaiians still waiting for some 90 year old golf course or hotel lease to expire so they can get their 5 acres...very few live to obtain their land. I can see other states considering it...Washington and California have had petitions already.

 

Yeah, that's an excellent point. It is a bit more complicated than I suggested.

 

where your argument fails is in equating States as a totality. Look county by county. Take Oregon as an example. It is true that population carried the vote but that was centered in a few areas. Get away from Benton, Lane and Multnomah and the demographics change.

So, while PDX puts up with every goof ball social misfit breaking windows burning shit and being a general asshat while the local government stands aside, those actions would not be tolerated in most communities in the remainder of the state.

Next lets look at where most of the gun owners and Vets reside. For the most part, not entrenched in liberal industries of government or education that inhabit the previously mentioned counties.

To think that a bunch of mash wearing fools or road blocking shit bags wearing pink pussy hats are going to be able to stand toe to toe with working class Joes that want to protect their families and homes, well good luck. It will not last long.

The historical reference made was for the most past correct, but in such a short encounter, would have no relevance.

 

This is simply not true....I live in liberal lane county and there are many, many vets here who own guns yet aren't conservatives...The Oregon Country Fair is run by a council that includes many Viet Nam vets as well.....returning vets from Vietnam were major anti war protesters and many settled on the west coast...I'd say there are very conservative pockets of communities in logging country Oregon but they are not a majority other than some really small towns..the vote results only count those who vote

 

Not afraid at all barf. I see river liked your post. I would love to have you both in the class you need.

 

You're forgetting the police, who are much better trained than the "working class Joes," much better organized than retired vets and much better armed than either. Also, they've been buying military grade vehicles and weapons from the federal government for years. The idea that hipsters in Portland need to throw their bodies at a ragtag militia in order for that militia to be stopped is extremely misguided.

And that's before any actual military become involved.

 

the middle class?

 

you keeping a log of these stats?

 

Did I wake up in Nazi Germany.... again?!?

 

The assumption that all vets and armed citizens will rise up as one fighting force to overthrow the government is highly highly unlikely.

Here's the problem - people aren't desperate enough. The water is running, the lights are on, the internet works, and people have jobs, houses, and families. It takes A LOT of unrest to push people to the point of war. We're not even close to that yet. Not even remotely close.

Pushing out Trump won't get us there. Not with his approval numbers. I think most people will be happy to see him go. He's an embarrassment. He's out of his depth. People put their hopes in him that he could clean up Washington, but he's a clown. He's a showman. He's a reality TV star. That's not that guy you put your trust in, and I think most people are realizing that now.

So while there might be a few people that would feel like violence is warranted after a Trump impeachment, I highly doubt it would be more than a select few.

 

I also protested the VM war. But I have not met many that have forsaken their vow to protect the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.

 

Perhaps. But he was lawfully elected. I suspect your mouth will attract your share of the few.

 

Articles of Impeachment don't violate the Constitution, as they are an enumerated power in the Constitution for the legislature. Taking up arms due to a successful impeachment would be taking up arms against the Constitution, not for it.

 

Most of these bellicose gang never took that oath or even knows what it means. Those that did and run they jaw overtime, have indeed forsaken it.

 

Any plans to explain to us how the legislature using a Constitutionally-granted power would be a violation of the Constitution?

 

.. that's what the investigation is all about, isn't it? If he was, there should be no issues to let the investigation continue.

It sure seems that the lady does protest too much, no?

 

Yeah, you have a good point there. If it does not effect them, most would not care. There are lots of people that do not make them selves aware of the current political situation. The wild card is that half of the people voted for Trump. i have not encountered anyone that voted for him who still does not support him. If all of your belief that he is losing support is from polls, i would have thought that that mistaken path had been exposed.

 

You have no high crime or even the hint of one. That is a crime.