Politics Civil War part 2! Which side will you fight for?

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  1. Denny Crane

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    Bill Moyers is no right winger.

     
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    Your knowledge of the law is astounding.

    A grand jury is required for him to be able to issue subpoenas. Nothing else to read into it.

    Nobody on the grand jury or the investigating team is allowed, by law, to talk about what's going on. Those who testify can say whatever they want. All we know is subpoenas issued about Flynn's records from the White House.
     
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    The Shadow Government!
     
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    A lot of people did vote for him. Tens of millions. You and I might not agree fully with his agenda, but those tens of millions do.

    If he's losing support from them, my read is they're pissed he's not accomplishing MORE.
     
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    Well, it's clear that there are people who are unelected and who serve in agencies like the NSA, FBI, CIA, etc., for decades. It's also clear that they would vote for one candidate or another.

    The substantial number of leaks sure looks like they're from people with access to top secret information and documents. Who else would it be?
     
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    Yes, and? That had no relevance to what I said nor did it contradict what I said in any way. A grand jury is one of the most powerful tools an investigation has and it's generally only used when there's significant basis for investigation. Grand juries aren't convened trivially when the prosecutor in charge believes there's no merit.
     
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    I think that's Nate's point, Denny. They voted for his agenda, which included claims of near-immediate results. However, those promised near-immediate results don't seem to have actually materialized (at least from my observation).

    So the question isn't, "Why did people support Trump initially," so much as, "What has PapaD done since taking office to deserve their continuing support?" That is to say, has he actually delivered any of the agenda for which people voted (I acknowledge that it's possible that I've missed something significant), and if not, why are said people remaining so steadfast in support of him?
     
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    This entire process is bogus. Simply started as perverse entertainment for the losers.

    If Mueller is investigating Flinn for wrong doings involving Turkey, why isn't Mueller reporting to Sessions? He only reused himself from Russian investigates.

    If Mueller is investigating Trump, Why? Comey said Trump was not under investigation.

    If the assistant AG and Mueller decided to investigate Trump, Why? The President and the American people have a right to know.

    If the Mueller is using a Grand Jury to investigate Trump, Why? They can't Indict the President!, Mueller can't put the President on trial!.

    It's all a sideshow for the losers.
     
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    Most of the delay has been Congress, the Republican Congress reversing their position on issues, like failing to repeal Obama Care.
     
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    I just don't think he wants the job. I thought, even before he won, that he got caught up in winning. Now he's President and he doesn't actually want to do the work.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/04/politics/donald-trump-vacation-obama/index.html

    http://www.kvia.com/news/politics/at-200day-mark-trump-nominations-still-lag/600815694

     
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    Trump was supposed to be a unique deal-maker who could force everyone to the table and make them agree to his agenda through incredible negotiating power.
     
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    That would defeat the purpose of an Independent Counsel. Maybe Trump shouldn't have fired Comey?

    Mueller is not Comey. Comey told Trump he was not under investigation at the time. Didn't say he would never be under investigation. In fact, Comey didn't want to announce that Trump was not under investigation, because if he later became under investigation, he would have to correct himself.

    Sorry, they don't announce what's going on in the investigation, just like the police don't announce why they are investigating someone until they got the goods.

    If they find enough to prosecute then it is up to Congress to start impeachment proceedings. Maybe they will find something on Trump. Maybe they won't. It seems like you are afraid they will find something.
     
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    I don't think I have ever heard of a Republican President claiming that a Republican Congress was standing in his way....
     
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    John McCain
     
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    Fair enough on Obamacare, although one could easily argue that if Trump and his team had drafted a suitable replacement that the Republican majority could support, that delay wouldn't have occurred; and if a replacement wasn't realistic, he shouldn't have promised an immediate repeal if he didn't have the necessary congressional support to deliver on that promise.

    That said, aside from the promised repeal of the ACA (which I still presume will occur eventually), would you be willing to list a couple other significant agenda items you would say Congress is responsible for delaying?
     
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    Hell! They are standing in their own way. They promised to repeal, voted before to repeal and now renege when they actually have a President that will sign.
     
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    McCain was too much for Trump? So much for being the greatest deal-maker and negotiator there ever was.
     
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    Grand juries aren't just for indictments. They give broader power for subpoenas to compel access to documents or sworn testimonies.
     
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    Funding the

    Tax reform.
    Repatriation of money.

    Soon to be

    Immigration reform,

    Infrastructure.
     
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