Politics Civil War part 2! Which side will you fight for?

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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    It took a dip because Hillary was predicted to win.

    All that matters for this discussion is since Trump was elected.

    See the CNN article.
     
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    This was a good one Trump, lol....

     
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    That won't get you a lot of likes Marz....
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    The economy doesn't turn on a dime. You can't take credit for the economy without looking at past information.

    If you look at that same chart, do you think it was Obama's fault that the market was already nose diving before he took office? I'm not even a fan of Obama, but I find that ridiculous. The President doesn't get to take credit for an economy that was already on a steady rise.
     
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    What the economy is doing right now may look very different after college enrollment and the harvest of the crops....as is Wall Street is profiting from deregulation and anticipated tax breaks for corporations.....by Christmas it might not look like rainbows and unicorns anymore
     
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    Actually it can. It doesn't take much to make it turn to shit.
     
  7. Denny Crane

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    He's not taking credit for that, nor would I give it to him. Nor does CNN.

    The FACT that the markets made major moves upward, beyond the Obama trends, are significant.

    GDP growth was 1.5% in 2016. Does Trump get credit for a 2.5% number this year? (Yes).
     
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    I'm in Texas. We'll secede
     
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    But he hasn't done anything. You yourself said that the consumer confidence is based on the perception that he's going to reduce regulations and lower taxes, which he has not done.

    If I told you I was going to give you a million dollars, and you ran out and bought a house and a car because you were expecting a million dollars in your bank account, but that million dollars doesn't come..... what happens? It's closing in on a year. Where's the wall? Where's the lower taxes? Why hasn't the swamp been drained?
     
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    This year is not over unless you mean the fiscal year which would include numbers from the last administration....there are a lot of budget holes that aren't going to look so good....then there's the wall....just hope we don't have to go to war with N Korea anytime soon...that'll be hard to fund as it stands. International trade is going to look different under Trump's watch....that will be interesting. I'm glad you're optimistic, but I'm not feeling it at all.....
     
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    The thing that liberals in here don't seem to understand is that the value of the stock market is based upon future expectations. Not on the past.
     
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    Nonsense....we've seen the market crash upon future expectations....what conservatives ignore is that short term gains don't always translate into long term gains...and any unforeseen conflicts or natural disasters can send the market into a spiral anytime...and for the record....some stock brokers are actually liberals.
     
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    He has done things. The premise that he hasn't is flawed.

    By executive order alone, he has slashed numerous regulations that harm business. Business loves it, invests, and grows.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...ive-order-reducing-regulation-and-controlling
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...rder-core-principles-regulating-united-states
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...tive-order-enforcing-regulatory-reform-agenda
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...er-restoring-rule-law-federalism-and-economic
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...r-promoting-energy-independence-and-economi-1
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...er-regarding-omnibus-report-significant-trade
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    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...order-identifying-and-reducing-tax-regulatory
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...er-implementing-america-first-offshore-energy
    etc.

    Congress has passed bills that he's signed that are pro business, too.

    I don't buy any of the narrative that he's not doing anything. He's ordering about 2.5M executive branch employees to do these pro-growth/pro-business things.

    Does the truth matter?
     
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    Thanks Obama.

    We've seen the alternatives in action.
     
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    absolutely, which is a big reason why Trump sucks beyond redemption
     
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    But it's ok for people to lie about him or what the actual facts are?
     
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    you mean people who aren't president of the US? no it's not, but if you count up all his detractors, you'll find some fake news in there..personally I go from the man's own words and actions....not impressed...not even with my IRA gaining ...there are more important concerns in my view than the GNP
     
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    GDP has been under attack for the past 8 years. Need to give it a boost to even things out.

    When taxing 25% of GDP isn't enough to cover all the liberal spendy things, we end up with the second most massive deficits biggest debt in history.

    If GDP is bigger, you don't have to tax more.

    What he's doing has mixed results, for sure. But to say he's done NOTHING isn't giving due credit to the facts.
     
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    He's gone after street gangs in Long Island, or Sessions has....I think that's a good thing...he's pulled out of the TPP though which is going to really hurt Midwestern farmers....good for Canadian, Argentinian and Brazilian farmers though....they will step right in and fill the role
     
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    Nonsense my ass. That is basic Stocks 101.
     
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