Politics White Nationalist Rally turns to violence and terrorism

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  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Hell, seeing how flakey Scientology is they should start a church of Lee. Get tax deductible donations to buy land and put an even better statue up.

    And like pot and Rastafarians, at the church of Lee you could require everyone to have tiki torches.
     
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    Your benevolence is noted sly. I really don't give a shit. Probably wouldn't take it down nor put one up.
     
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    Don't know. But this was an outside group protesting. It's up to the citizens of Charlottesville to decide what to do with their statue.
     
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    Jade Falcon Just to piss you off.

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    From what I'm hearing, both sides were outside groups. Funny how it's never the home citizens who ultimately give a shit about these things, huh?
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    (and in case you don't get the reference...)

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    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    Damned straight it's terrible.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Is your emphasis there on 'now' or on 'divisive'? He's obviously a divisive symbol, unless you want to argue the civil war was not divisive!

    If you mean that we should have forgotten and forgiven by now, well, maybe you have a point.

    Not because of some hero worship of Lenin. Someone rescued the statue from the scrap heap because they thought it was artful enough to be preserved.

    barfo
     
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    Wow, trippy story.

    History[edit]
    Background[edit]
    The statue was constructed by a Bulgarian sculptor Emil Venkov, under a 1981 commission from the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia.[1][2] While following the bounds of his commission, Venkov intended to portray Lenin as a bringer of revolution, in contrast to the traditional portrayals of Lenin as a philosopher and educator.[citation needed]

    Venkov's work was completed and installed in Poprad, Czechoslovakia (now Slovakia), in 1988 at a cost of 3,340,000 Czechoslovak koruna ($111,333 in 1993 United States dollars),[3] shortly before the fall of Czechoslovak communism during the 1989 Velvet Revolution.[1] Despite popular belief, the Poprad Lenin was not toppled in the demonstrations during the fall of communism. Instead, it was quietly removed from Lenin's Square, in front of Poprad's main hospital, several months after the Velvet Revolution.[citation needed]

    Acquisition and move to Seattle[edit]
    Lewis E. Carpenter, an English teacher in Poprad originally from Issaquah, Washington, found the monumental statue lying in a scrapyard ready to be sold for the price of the bronze; Carpenter had met and befriended Venkov while in Czechoslovakia. In close collaboration with a local journalist and good friend, Tomáš Fülöpp, Carpenter approached the city officials with a claim that despite its current unpopularity, the sculpture was still a work of art worth preserving, and he offered to buy it for $13,000.[1] After many bureaucratic hurdles, he finally signed a contract with the mayor on March 16, 1993.[4]

    With the help of Venkov, the statue was cut into three pieces and shipped to the United States at a total cost of $40,000.[1] Carpenter financed much of that via mortgaging his home.[5] The statue arrived in Issaquah in August 1993, and Carpenter planned to install it in front of a Slovak restaurant. He died in a car accident in February 1994, during public debates on whether to display the statue in Issaquah that ended in rejection from the suburb's residents.[6] After Carpenter's death, his family planned to sell the statue to a Fremont foundry to be melted down and repurposed into a new piece. The foundry's founder, Peter Bevis, sought to instead display the statue in Fremont, and agreed to have the Fremont Chamber of Commerce hold the sculpture in trust until a buyer is found. The statue was unveiled on June 3, 1995, at the corner of Evanston Avenue North and North 34th Street, one block south of a salvaged Cold War rocket fuselage, another artistic Fremont attraction.[7]

    The statue was moved two blocks north to the intersection of Fremont Place North, North 36th Street and Evanston Avenue North in 1996, adjacent to a Taco del Mar and a gelato shop.[8][9] The new location is also 3 blocks west of the Fremont Troll, another Fremont art installation situated under the Aurora Bridge.

    The Carpenter family continues to seek a buyer for the statue. As of 2015 the asking price is $250,000, up from a 1996 price tag of $150,000.[8][10]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin,_Seattle
     
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    I'll chip in $10 to buy it.

    But I want a piece of the bronze.
     
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    Jade Falcon Just to piss you off.

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    Alright folks, I'm unsubscribing to this thread. I've said all I wanna say, and I don't want a million notices taking over my mail box, because I've got a long day tomorrow. So if anyone replies to me, then I'm sorry I won't see it. Hopefully, it's polite. But this topic being what it is, it wouldn't surprise me if it's not.

    Let's just be nice to one-another. We all need it.

    Goodnight.

    .....okay, maybe not so fast then....

    No, I didn't argue that the civil war was divisive. My argument is: why Lee? Of all the symbols people could get up in a tissy about from the Civil War.....why Lee?

    If people are going to bicker about him just because he was a Confederate Officer.....then I wonder what those same people think of Oskar Schindler. A man who actually profited off of slave labor from Jews for a time.

    Do I think Schindler was an evil man? No. But he WAS a member of the Nazi Party. And yet he's revered by many around the world, and history remembers him kindly.

    I'm literally falling asleep here. So let's make this short and sweet barfo. Please.
     
  11. theprunetang

    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    He's asleep guys....shhh..... grab the sharpie.
     
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    No guys, people that fight against nazis are just as bad as nazis. Worse possibly.
     
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    Sinobas Banned User BANNED

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    I ignored that because it's a silly question.
     
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    Dude...it's their fault for being racist fucks. Some nazi lover will sit there and tell you "it's the democrats fault I'm a nazi" and you are gonna believe that shit? You really think some dude marching in a fucking nazi parade is doing it because someone on the left called him a Nazi?

    And you "can see their frustration"? Jesus Christ.
     
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    I mean, I can certainly understand liberals pushing people to be conservative, and vice versa. But a few people here are seriously blaming the left for fucking nazi parades. It's just disgusting.
     
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    If white separitists had their way, there could be no racial discimination because the races would be separate, living in their own lands. Lots of people in the world want to be clanish with their own cultural ethnic group, it doesn't make them "Nazis" or deserving of being attacked. That's not to say no white separatist crosses over into having violent ideology.
     
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    Of course, this thing took place in the south, and some element of it was the KKK, which has always been there. There are also wider feelings of southern pride, that are not necessarily racist, but they feel sentimental about confederate icons and wanted to protest the removal of the statue.


    Also, is there a "whitelash" against leftist identity politics, which continually accuses white people of being oppressors, part of an evil oppressive race etc, and support discrimination against white people in order to "even things out"? Yes, I think that's a big part of it as well.
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    unsubscribe from a thread? Getting notifications in email?

    say what?
     
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    Good answer.
     
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    I didn't know the board could do that either....sounds like a facebook thing.
     

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