Politics Emoluments

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  1. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    Jeezus........just another squirrel let loose by Denny to provide more cover for Donny. At least we were spared the charts and graphs........
     
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  2. riverman

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    Or using charity money for giant portraits of himself.....it's a long list of shady Trumpisms.....sending his son...biz rep to Central America with govt security paid for by us.....sure...he's so much more innocent than .....what's her name? The woman who was told to shut up while speaking ...
     
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    I have no problem with politicians raising their own money.

    If they are using their office to trade favors, then they are corrupt.
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    She's actually not "anti-capitalist." The closest thing in mainstream American to that is probably Bernie Sanders (who is also not anti-capitalist in the way you mean). Warren is against crony capitalism--stacking the deck in favor of huge corporations and banks over working class people. Selling knick knacks to raise money for a run is in no way counter to her beliefs that their should be consumer protections and that banks shouldn't be able to gamble with people's mortgages.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    You commie, pinko, sonofabitch.
     
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  6. Minstrel

    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    Just gonna leave this here. It's a bit off-topic, but Denny owes us some "off-topic get-out-of-jail-free" cards by this point.

    The formula Democrats need: less Clintonism, less Sandersism, more Warrenism

    A piece more directly related in this discussion:

    A lot of people lump together a Sanders-Warren wing of the party, but this conflation leaves out a lot. Franklin Foer hit on a good explanation of why in the most recent Atlantic:

    "Although [Warren] shares Bernie Sanders's contempt for Wall Street, she doesn't share his democratic socialism. 'I love markets — I believe in markets!' she told me. What drives her to rage is when bankers conspire with government regulators to subvert markets and rig the game. Over the years, she has claimed that it was a romantic view of capitalism that drew her to the Republican Party — and then the party's infidelity to market principles drove her from it ...

    "At the core of Warren's populism is a phobia of concentrated economic power, an anger over how big banks and big businesses exploit Washington to further their own interests at the expense of ordinary people. This fear of gigantism is a storied American tradition, descended from Thomas Jefferson, even if it hasn't recently gotten much airtime within the Democratic Party. It justifies itself in the language of individualism — rights, liberty, freedom — not communal obligation."
     
  7. barfo

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    Seems someone didn't bother to read his own link.

    People are selling Elizabeth Warren merchandise, "beyond the Democratic senator’s control on sites like online marketplace Etsy".
    There are lots of third-party Trump merchandise vendors too.

    Her campaign website sells shit, yes. So does Trump's. No difference in 'emoluments' there.

    barfo
     
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    Yeah, but she is anti selling things. She thinks temporary tattoos should be given out on the 1st and 15th.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    He won the election, he's entitled to whoever he wants to help him run things.

    Like Hiliar trying to reform health care for her husband in the 90s.

    Oh my!
     
  11. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I see what you did there.
     
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    amateur hour....
     
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    you just found this out?
     
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    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    I semi-get this, as it's part of my dissatisfaction with the (R)s of the last half-decade or so. But championing Hillary because you don't like that (R)s aren't following capitalistic principles? It's not far from me hating the actions of the commander-in-chief, so I join Castro's Cuban Army.

    Whether or not I'm a traitor or conscientious objector, Castro has very few values that should be adhered to for someone with a worldview of duty and service to country and Might For Right. And if you believe in the free market and hate globalized services with government-mandated monopolies, and yet campaign for the ACA, I don't know what to say. :shrug:
     
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  15. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Accept it.
     
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    I mean, it's fairly obvious that the ACA is not what she'd design herself, but it vastly increased access to health care for the poor and lower middle class, due to taking away insurance companies' ability to charge much more the older and sicker you were, direct subsidies for those who earn under some percentage above the poverty line and due to the Medicare expansion. Republicans like to make hay with the dishonest "It's a corporate give-away!" talking point, due to the CSR (cost sharing reduction) payments from the government to the insurance companies--but those payments are the subsidies that make health insurance cheaper for individuals. Covering older and sicker people for around the same rates as younger and healthier people wouldn't be possible for insurance companies without the government paying the difference. Ultimately, it's government paying for people's insurance or, at least, paying down people's insurance rates.

    So there's a huge amount of benefit to the people Warren wants to protect. It's not at all hypocritical or cognitively dissonant for her to campaign for the ACA not to be dismantled in favor of tax cuts for the rich (which was the preferred end game for Ryan and McConnell--they mostly wanted to make steep cuts in the Medicaid expansion to create "revenue" to fund tax cuts for the top earners--if it was done in a revenue-neutral manner, they'd be permanent rather than automatically sunsetting after 10 years like the Bush tax cuts).
     
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    I don't take direct orders since leaving the military, but I accepted the state of the union as soon as he won....has nothing to do with my lack of trust or respect for Donald Trump and his bad choices....you seem to be completely buying into his snake oil stocks though....strangely
     
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    You have no real choice but accept it. All the whining in the world isn't getting rid of the guy.
     
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    This is very Trumpish..it's his childish way of addressing anything adults voice concern over......I will not sit back and be silent....that's what authoritarian leaders demand of their subjects....America doesn't work that way
     
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    I have many choices...and I can represent my views everyday about Trump just like you voice yours about Hillary...non stop
     

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