Merged: Crabbe Traded to Brk

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  1. Scalma

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    We should be using the TPE to upgrade the roster. I didn't think the summer where we lost 4 starters could be topped but Olshey managed to do it this year. What a shit offseason. Did the bare minimum. Even the trade up in the draft was a low risk move since it saved the team money.
     
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    So this offseason was worst than if we lost CJ, Nurk, Hark and Vonleh. Makes sense
     
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    Comprehension might not be your thing.

    When we "lost" four starters at least the plan was there to see. Rebuilding around Lillard. This offseason was pointless. No plan. Just got worse. Only one happy is Allens accountant.
     
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    And they still might deal Ed Davis before the trade deadline. I really doubt they resign him with all the young forwards we have. Some team making a playoff run might want him.
     
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    Sinobas Banned User BANNED

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    Well, this is one of the downsides of being at or over the luxury tax limit. That's why massively over-paying a bunch of players was a very stupid idea on Olshey's part. Many posters on this board were acting like there would be no reprocussions to it.
     
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    I see "wasted" to "saved".
     
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    We saved a portion of money that we wasted, Nicholson's strech is the waste.

    Money that goes to a player not even on our team is pretty much wasted.
     
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    We are now officially to the point where matching Crabbe's salary was completely pointless if we don't use the trade exception.

    Yay...
     
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    Yep. Portland will still be paying for that stupid decision for the next 8 years too!

    With the NO extension, there's a lot of support from fans saying hes a very good GM. From my vantage point, he's decidedly mediocre. I think Portland could do MUCH better than him.
     
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    We need just see if he will use the TPE but right now I don't see happening unless we are having great season and use it to get key player to help us in the playoffs. So right now it wait and see.
     
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    If we had let him walk last year:
    1) We wouldn't have had him for ~30 minutes a game last year
    2) We wouldn't have had the chance to see if his growth continued
    3) We wouldn't have the TPE (unless the deal turned into a S&T)
    4) We wouldn't have anything at all in return for him

    I'm not sure how this was somehow a bad move. We didn't have to pay the LT last year, either.

    If we had received a TPE last year, and used it, we'd be much further over the LT at this point.
     
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    1) Couldn't possibly care less.
    2) I was wrong, I could have cared less about #1. Couldn't possibly care less about #2
    3) Yep--presently the only remaining asset from the signing (as I mentioned)
    4) Aside from #3, we still don't, except for ~$3M in dead cap money being paid to Andrew Nicholson for each of the next 7 years.

    Him being on the team last year didn't improve the team's future prospects, to the only value that his 2016 signing brings us now is the TPE. As I said before: if it doesn't end up being used, matching his contract accomplished nothing of value.
     
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    Except 30 minutes a game last year is "something of value."

    Hindsight is 20-20. Crabbe was a key contributor the season before, especially the playoffs. Enough that BKN wanted him. They still wanted him, even after this so-called horrible season he had. Consider if Crabbe actually wanted to be here and took the next step in his development - I think NO would have found cap space by using other players.

    Again, we wouldn't have the TPE if we let him walk last year so we did get something for him ending up in BKN. I'd add that we were a 2nd round team the year before and without a draft pick. The only way to improve was internal (i.e. Crabbe included). The expectations (without hindsight) were improvement over the 2nd round team, results. Letting a key member walk for nothing would have been a downgrade.

    As it is, we lost a 30 MPG player who was 2nd in the league in 3pt shooting. Shooting is a most wanted commodity in this league these days.
     
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    I swear you argue just to argue.

    Leave me alone.
     
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    Why are people seeing it as pointless? We paid to see if he would improve and he didn't. Cut your losses.
     
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    A couple things:

    The only reason we know what's bolded is because he was on the team and he didn't become the player we wanted. Had he become the aggressive 6th man we wanted him to be, he might have "earned" his money.

    Did you want us to match?
     
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    "Neil should be aggressive."

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    I can't recall precisely my posts at the time, but I'm thinking that I was in favor of something in the neighborhood of 55M/4, but not down with 75M/4.

    Yes, I understand that there was a measure of uncertainty in the signing, but people's job performance isn't measured on their intentions or their reasoning, but on their results. As defensible as the Oden pick, or the Miller/Felton deal, or the Afflalo trade were at the time, all of them hurt the franchise and are generally viewed as such.

    I guess I'm just not in favor of expensive lottery tickets. I'm OK with draft picks and rookie deal acquisitions as vehicles for acquiring players because they might become what we hope for them to be. Big dollar signings, in my mind, are for players who have already demonstrated the ability to fill the role intended for them, and are signed based on that expectation. Therefore, if the high-dollar player fails to fulfill that expectation, then it's a scouting/evaluation failure, not simply a risk that didn't pan out.
     
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