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  1. Denny Crane

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    Manafort's deals in 2014 are outside the mandate of Mueller's investigation.
     
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    You mean his private notes on meetings with Trump?

    Those aren't government documents.
     
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    Mannafort is Mueller's plea bargain chip....I read he paid 8 million cash for a 3.2 million dollar unit in Trump Tower..no wealthy businessman spends that much cash on real estate without using a bank loan....not claiming it as fact, but it made me think twice about how this would unfold....hence....money laundering...then I read they're looking into his 25 accounts in Cypress....the home of the Russian mob....if Trump's campaign guy turns out to be laundering Russian mob money and investing it in Trump's real estate....there's your connection...it's not politics as much as tax evasion ..whether Mannafort squeals is yet to be seen.
     
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    Yes they are.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...nald-trump-comeys-leak-memos-totally-illegal/

    Jonathan Turley, a law professor at George Washington University, said Comey’s sharing of the memo with a friend was "unauthorized and thus unlawful," because the material was FBI information covered by federal rules and regulations.

    Comey was not allowed to treat the memos as personal property, Turley said, given that they were written in the context of a federal investigation, on an FBI computer and revealed to others in the leadership team.

    Turley said Comey is unlikely to face criminal charges, but he could be found in violation of professional standards.
     
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    Manafort's 2014 deals are outside the scope of Mueller's mandate.
     
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    Tough cookies. They certainly aren't outside the NY AG's mandate.

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    Yes, the AG can do whatever he wants.

    That doesn't change Mueller's mandate.
     
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    Sure, but it appears that Mueller will be using the AG's investigations into Trump cronies as leverage to prevent Trump from using the promise of pardons to allow his cronies to perjure themselves or obstruct justice in the investigation that Mueller is doing.
     
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    Trump pardoned Sherrif Joe.

    He could have pardoned Manafort and Flynn months ago.
     
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    Arpaio was facing a federal criminal contempt charge. The President can only pardon federal charges, not state ones. Charges brought by the NY AG can't be pardoned by Trump and it sounds like Mueller is going to use the threat of such charges to effect compliance from Trump's associates, as it's been reported that he's now working with Schneiderman.
     
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    The pardon given was was not to someone that was part of the campaign. Pardon for these guys would mean admitting faults with the campaign - something he has not done publicly so far.
     
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    And?

    Manafort and Flynn are facing federal charges.
     
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    It would admit that Trump doesn't want to see these people's life savings diminished to nothing defending against petty charges.
     
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    And? It's the potential state charges that Mueller can use as leverage to make them talk, since they're unpardonable by Trump.
     
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    Mueller would have nothing if Trump pardoned those guys months ago. Like February.

    The point is Trump ISN'T
     
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    Trump doesn't have to pardon them now. Just the promise of future pardons is equally powerful, so he has no incentive to drop more unpopular pardons. Trump has the leverage of those potential pardons to keep his associates from talking--Mueller has the leverage of unpardonable (by Trump) charges to make them talk, depending on whether Schneiderman finds wrongdoing.
     
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    He could have avoided the investigation entirely by pardoning back then. Contrary to your beliefs, he's no idiot, especially about legal jeopardy.

    Plus, there's nothing to all this anyway (why Trump hasn't pardoned anyone), so you're likely to be really disappointed in the end.

    Will the disappointment lead to even more butthurt?
     
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    If there's nothing to this, then that's great. I'd only have been disappointed if there weren't a good faith investigation, but that appears not to be the case.

    You'll forgive me, though, if I let Mueller determine that and not someone who's admitted before that he's out to troll "liberals."
     
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    So you're disappointed about the Hillary/email investigation?

    You don't show it.

    I'm not surprised in the least.
     
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    Nope. That got a ton of scrutiny and investigation and it's almost certainly the reason she lost the election. It wasn't covered up, by any means.
     
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