Politics Grand jury subpoenas issued in FBI's Russia investigation

Patience, Grasshopper. All will be revealed in the fullness of time.

barfo

 

Depends on the crime. Cheating on taxes, maybe not.

Lying about how an ambassador got killed, to avoid embarrassment while in the middle of a reelection campaign? I'd have problems with it.

 

Still true. I'm not sure why you bolded what you did. You must desperately wish those words were untrue.

 

We do, unless we've seen evidence in the public record to show otherwise.

That's the problem for the presumed guilty crowd these days, no evidence in the public record.

 

Patience, Grasshopper. All will be revealed in the fullness of time.

barfo

 

Maybe that's true. Maybe it's not. Neither one of us knows, so it's probably best to wait and see.

barfo

 

The "eventually we may find something" schtick is a major part of any conspiracy theory, even one as crazy as this one.

 

He's made calls? I think you're pulling that out of your ass. We know where the absence of fact lies (with you!).

You believe Russians when it suits your conspiracy theory, it seems.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...b4e4bb76a3a_story.html?utm_term=.d3fce02258c1

As part of the discussions, a Russian-born real estate developer urged Trump to come to Moscow to tout the proposal and suggested that he could get President Vladimir Putin to say “great things” about Trump, according to several people who have been briefed on his correspondence.

The developer, Felix Sater, predicted in a November 2015 email that he and Trump Organization leaders would soon be celebrating — both one of the biggest residential projects in real estate history and Donald Trump’s election as president, according to two of the people with knowledge of the exchange.

Sater wrote to Trump Organization Executive Vice President Michael Cohen “something to the effect of, ‘Can you believe two guys from Brooklyn are going to elect a president?’ ” said one person briefed on the email exchange. Sater emigrated from what was then the Soviet Union when he was 6 and grew up in Brooklyn.

Trump never went to Moscow as Sater proposed. And although investors and Trump’s company signed a letter of intent, they lacked the land and permits to proceed and the project was abandoned at the end of January 2016, just before the presidential primaries began, several people familiar with the proposal said.

 

Convictions in the court of public opinion mean quite a bit. It just doesn't mean that a lawyer who's skilled at evading criminal conviction is "innocent."

I take issue with your understanding of the law. Guilty until proven innocent. Acquittal means innocent. You've asserted both of these things, and they're just unconstitutional (in the first case) and ignorant of the fact that criminals get acquittals all the time due to technical reasons (in the latter). Or the jury just makes the wrong ruling (do tell if OJ killed his wife...). Heck, even a finding of guilt isn't necessarily an indication of guilt (see convictions overturned due to DNA evidence).

I've not demanded any conviction in the court of law to prove guilt, or lack of one to prove innocence.

Per Hillary, the criminal statute is clear, and she committed the crime. You prove my point in bringing it up - just because the criminal isn't convicted, does not mean she's actually innocent. The proof is black and white, slam dunk. An analogous situation would be if there were only rumors she had that email server, or fired the travel office staff. There were no such "rumors" but actual events, documented in the public record.

Feel free to keep on misrepresenting what I've written. If it makes you think you win something, I'm happy for you.

 

Let's wait and see what happens is not part of any conspiracy theory. Your position, on the other hand, seems to get tougher every day. I don't envy you - but then you chose the rock, and you chose the steep hill, and you choose to keep trying to keep that rock from crushing you as it rolls downhill instead of leaping out of the way. Enjoy!

barfo