I think I know. Honestly. None of us care. We figure that tiny number is so meaningless to us. Do I want innocent people getting murdered by cops? NOPE. I don't even like it when they kill dogs. However back to why we don't care. (I'm speaking in generalities about whites as a group here) Here's why. We don't get fucked with by the cops unless we look like wannabe gangsters. We don't get pulled over all the time without cause. Shit like that. 23 people out of 300 million? Homelessness seems worse to me and probably most people but we ignore that too. Narcissism for sure.
The Raw Story WWW site. Tell me about this fake news thing? https://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/do...n-to-houston-because-its-under-investigation/ Donald Trump can’t donate $1 million from his foundation to Houston because it’s under investigation
I skipped from page two to page seven. Apologies if someone brought this up already, but so far no one has.. Does everyone know all of the verses to the Star Spangled Banner? http://www.dictionary.com/e/star-spangled-banner/ O say can you see, by the dawn’s early light, What so proudly we hail’d at the twilight’s last gleaming, Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight O’er the ramparts we watch’d were so gallantly streaming? And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air, Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there,O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave? On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes, What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep, As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses? Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam, In full glory reflected now shines in the stream, ’Tis the star-spangled banner—O long may it wave O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave! And where is that band who so vauntingly swore, That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion A home and a Country should leave us no more? Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution. No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave, And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth waveO’er the land of the free and the home of the brave. O thus be it ever when freemen shall stand Between their lov’d home and the war’s desolation! Blest with vict’ry and peace may the heav’n rescued land Praise the power that hath made and preserv’d us a nation! Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just, And this be our motto – “In God is our trust,” And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave. I bolded a couple parts for thoughtful digestion...
While you were Googling denying the antecedent it would've helped if you also looked up Genetic Fallacy and Red Herring fallacy, because you just provided a couple of good examples. I do see what you see in Trump: he's not capable of admitting when he's wrong either.
I've read this a couple of times now and I'm not really sure what you're saying. I guess I see what Brown is saying, and that is of course his prerogative. But I think he's wrong, and so, apparently, do a lot of owners and coaches, who've said they support their players in their protest. I think Brown is buying the line that kneeling during the anthem is "disrespecting" it or the flag. (Sidenote: simple way to avoid the anthem/flag being disrespected at sporting events: keep them away from them. You know, like everywhere else in the world, when two clubs of the same country are playing each other.) As to the claim that this has "backfired on the true activists" - who are they and what is the "this" that has backfired? Kaepernick's protest? The response to Trump's Alabama rant? Are you saying that the conversation has shifted from police brutality to "free speech vs. respecting the flag"? Just looking for clarification.
Shannon Sharpe has had the best take on the recent "protests" by nfl owners/players edit:didnt realize the clip is 20 min long, i watched the first 8 min or so on fb
This guy can speak for me on any topic any time! Wondering how Trump supporters feel about this. Amazing!
Partially because I don't have the energy for every cause that kills 0.0000028% of the population. Why do you think that America, and those symbols that stand for the nation, needs to be protested against (note: Not "racist cops", or "untrained police staffs", or "the culture of the ghetto imposed by local governments", or "lack of education in civics" or any of those things--all of which are problematic)? What is the (in Jim Brown's words) desecration doing to move the conversation forward or make America better? And what's the denouement of this? What action needs to happen for all these players to now say "ok, we're good now, thanks. See? Protest worked!" ? I don't think that America is broken because 32 people a year die without a weapon in their hand at the hands of police, vice the 700 who die when using a weapon against police. I know that sounds callous, but averaging 95% in life-and-death split-second situations does not make America broken. I would submit that much more than 9 black men/32 people total a year die unarmed at the hands of friends and neighbors than because of police officers who every night have to go out and maybe not come back. About that 10x that many children a year die in Tampa out of outright neglect (malnutrition, left in cars, parents on drugs, etc) I guess I have a different mindset because I've been on the receiving end of not knowing which one of the million people around you might be a bad guy that at any moment wants to end you. More cops are killed by gunfire (33 so far this year) than unarmed people killed by cops. But, a quick perusal of that Campaign Zero site is interesting... But in the paper they reference and link to, it spells out clearly: anecdotally, I work with a former policeman from Peachtree, GA. His precinct was 80% black (as is he). His precinct had one of the highest rates of lethal force used in the country. He had multiple greenlights put out on him, and after one gunfight where he came back home and the bad guy didn't Al Sharpton himself came down to protest the police and to call for his removal. I wish you could hear him tell the story. But the good Reverend didn't talk about how it was a black officer that killed a man who was shooting back at him. He made it sound like an unauthorized murder of a black man at the hands of (implied white) police. Which is good for Al Sharpton...not so good for the man who got hits put out on him because of it. So, speaking only for myself, deaths like Philando Castile's (I don't lump in Michael Brown with him) are tragic and can be addressed through increased training, screening of candidates and reduction of policing in areas known to be dangerous. (Probably not a good policy issue, but it's an option). Yet what very little of the literature supports and what is still unclear to me is that the root cause of the 9 unarmed black men being killed a year is racism. And by doubling down on the issue to say that the deaths are due to this (non-confirmed) racism, which provides another symptom of a broken America that must be disrespected and desecrated (again, Jim Brown's words), the activist generally loses the message, if not the support of like-minded people. As a black man and father to your son you have placed a vested interest in this issue, and you'll never hear or read of me ridiculing that. Each of us is bound to do what we can with where we're called. I might disagree that Odell Beckham lifting his leg to symbolically pee on the President or that kneeling to show contempt for the nation is the best manner with which to combat it, but I (and likely anyone you engage on the matter) would say that they would like to see unarmed deaths of anyone go to zero. I choose to focus my energies first on my city/church and on things that could have a positive measurable outcome. I can say that our food bank fed X children, or our mentorship programs kept Y kids in school, of which Z% graduated and went to college. When we were able to run our free health clinics we could say "we gave X dental exams and administered Y whole-body checkups", etc. What does desecrating the flag and stating that America is broken help to measurably make things better?
BTW, it's interesting to me as well that a player in SF and SEA can kneel on the field to promote a cause seen by tens of thousands at the game and millions on TV (and that is causing some disunity), but the 9th Circuit Court has ruled a coach cannot kneel if it's to pray, at least around impressionable high school kids. That games are there to root for our favorite teams, not potentially promoting disunity. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...y-after-games-u-s-appeals-court-idUSKCN1B32B1
There are some differences here - racism not religion, NFL not schools. It would be hard to invoke separation of church and state when neither one is involved. barfo
Who said it did? Are the protesters actually protesting the existence of the nation, or a particular issue? I think the point of any protest is to raise awareness. Protests by themselves are not solutions, and that's not the right standard to hold them to. I think this particular protest is in fact working, although ironically enough it's really Trump who made it work. Everyone is talking about it now, and that's pretty much the goal of any protest. I don't know who Odell Beckham is, so can't comment on that part, but I do not agree that kneeling shows contempt for the nation. I don't think that's even remotely accurate. barfo
I'm just going to start with the original, b/c like I wrote earlier, I think that this message moved from Police Brutality/Racism to Eff Drumpf. Kaepernick's protest wasn't outside a Police HQ where someone just got shot, or by putting "remember Philando" on his shoes, or by hosting a press conference to talk about his donations and why he was doing it. He said: He specifically says that he thinks America oppresses black people and people of color. Not "racists in America" or "the 1%ers" or "crooked politicians" or even "cops who target people of color". He said "America" does the oppressing, and that his lack of pride in America is going to be manifested by kneeling so that people know he has no pride in it. Until is "represents what he thinks it's supposed to." It's working, you say? As many people (low # though it may be, it's still too high) are dying this year as last year. As many unarmed people are dying as last year. You're letting the media's crafted message drive you. Do you think Steph Curry was unaware until this week that you have to be careful around police? Do you think Michael Bennett's Vegas story was the first time he's had heard that cops can threaten lives? Did CNN/MSNBC/Fox not do their jobs pointing out to America that black men had been shot by policemen? http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...d-celebration-related-trump-article-1.3520250 I guess there's a spectrum between "contempt" and "lack of pride", but now we're really parsing...
How bizarre. Here's the thing. I got what I want - NO CLINTON. I also got what I want - months and years of the sore losers suffering over it. They would corrupt the system. Cheat in the primaries. Illegal dirty tricks. Support white collar government crime against millions. For that alone, Trump is a hero to most. I do care what he does (a lot of it wrong or bad), and I do care that we don't allow sore losers to drive our presidents from office. Be those presidents democrat or republican. Like I said, there are 60M+ who voted for him (I didn't), most of them are sticking with him. When the next Democrat gets elected, they will be savaged by those 60M+. You started it. It's not about supporting Trump for me. It's about seeing through the butt hurt for the Truth. I see you post lies and call you out on it. You double down. What kind of fallacy is that? The red herring, "Trump paid the money he promised" and the distraction: "He didn't pay some others/do you read your own fucking links?"
Brutal. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/sports/nfl-owners-unity-protests.html N.F.L. Owners’ Unity With Players Might Be Short-Lived The image was striking — several owners of N.F.L. teams locking arms with their players on the sidelines Sunday in a dramatic statement of defiance to a president who ridiculed their sport and condemned players for refusing to stand during the national anthem as a protest against racism. And then on Monday night, the league’s most prominent owner knelt with his entire team. Beyond the appearance of unity, though, is a far different reality: The owners have done little to support players who protest to fight social injustice. A few owners have told their players that kneeling for the anthem is inappropriate. The owners by and large are a white, conservative group of billionaires, several of them big-dollar donors to President Trump. They have generally discouraged their players, about three quarters of whom are African-American, from anything that overshadows throwing passes and making tackles. ... While some of the owners said they support the players’ right to speak out, they also worry about a backlash and recognize that many spectators object to protests during the national anthem. (More at the link)
