Politics California To Have Harsher Penalty For Pronoun Violations Than For Knowingly Spreading HIV

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  1. Denny Crane

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    ^^^ not clickbait, the actual text of the law.
     
  2. SlyPokerDog

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    Just don't understand your need to continue arguing with someone like you do. And when you get called on it you result to name calling and personal insults. That's a good look. Bigly win for you!
     
  3. Natebishop3

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    I think if you can make a case for abuse, I think prosecution could be warranted.
     
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  4. MARIS61

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    One could argue who's mis-gendering whom, but let's address deliberately spreading HIV/AIDS.

    Willfully and repeatedly infecting people with a deadly, horrifically painful disease.

    In other words, deliberately calculated serial mass murder.

    1. Insulting (in their opinion) people verbally is a protected Constitutional right.

    2. Murdering/torturing them is obviously not.

    The first should be met with a "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me" attitude.

    The second should be punished with the death penalty.
     
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    Completely unenforceable, as any behavioral expert will testify in court that long-established habits are simply more powerful and controlling than a person's willpower.
     
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    Finally you get it and are right!

    Yes, people will continue to fuck prostitutes even if they know they are infected with aids. Pimps will continue to prostitute them and johns will continue to visit them. Long-established habits to fuck are more powerful and controlling than a person's willpower not to.

    "I shared heroin needles with that junky and got aids! Why didn't they tell me?!? I agree with Maris, they should be killed!"

    "I fucked a ho and got aids! I paid her $20 extra to go bareback! Why didn't she tell me?!? I agree with Maris, she should be killed."


    Of the 379 HIV-related convictions in California between 1988 and 2014, only seven — less than 2 percent — included the intent to transmit HIV, according to a recent series of studies from the UCLA School of Law’s Williams Institute.

    Instead, the law mostly affected sex workers or those suspected of sex work. The vast majority of the convictions — 90 percent — were for solicitation cases where it was unknown whether any physical contact had occurred. When expanded to include the 800 or so people arrested or charged for the laws through 2014, more than 95 percent were related to sex work, the researchers found.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-targeted-sex-workers/?utm_term=.14528c9d02ce

    If you get aids from fucking a prostitute that's on you.
     
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    They're talking about building a case for abuse. They're including something like verbal abuse to help build the case. I don't see why this is such a big deal.
     
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    While it may be correct in your mind, roughly 7 billion people have been taught the words boy, girl, man, woman, Mr, Mrs, Miss, are all descriptive terms which refer quite clearly to people based on their actual physical, biological sex. If a trans-sexual demands that people call him/her Mr or Miss, I think a lot of people will just call them Transexual Sue or Surgically-altered female to male Bob, or some other totally accurate description. Is that the goal? Maybe some new terms can be invented to make everybody happy.

    In the meantime I'll just continue calling people by their names, as I've always done.
     
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    Most people are of the opinion that The First Amendment is in fact, a big deal.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
     
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    That's the problem with the way politicians think. Keep the long sentences for the 7 people who did it on purpose. Why is that so hard to grasp?
     
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    But there are laws on the books that can be used to prosecute those cases.

    In Oregon we had a cult intentionally try to poison people with salmonella. We didn't have a law that says you can't intentionally give people salmonella yet those people were all tried and convicted.
     
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    http://www.kgw.com/news/crime/man-c...after-threatening-muslim-police-say/455200289

    Freedom of speech doesn't protect you from hate crimes.
     
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    Except that now it has been written that the max is 6 months. Some other law going to override this? Doubt it.
     
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    If you have a law that specifically limits the max penalty for giving someone salmonella that's the new limit. Does your post's brain not function today? (This is fun @dviss1 )
     
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    That's for greater legal minds than us to figure out. The penalty for speeding is a ticket, but you can still be charged with murder if you run someone over someone intentionally while speeding, manslaughter if you do it unintentionally.
     
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    That's the entire point. You just gave a lawyer an argument to make because you were too dumb to differentiate between 7 bad cases and 500 other hooker cases.
     
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    The max penalty if they are CHARGED with that. They can still be charged with other crimes. The penalty for a crime you're not charged with doesn't change the penalty of the crime you are convicted of.

    Also you can be convicted over more than one crime but your prison sentence isn't based on the term of the lowest crime you are convicted of.

    "He was convicted of speeding and murder. Damn, we can only punish him with a ticket. See, the court clerk on your way out to pay your $175 fine."
     
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    Liked today's dumbest post. I always do
     
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    You think some DA is going to charge a guy with basic assault or some other crime for this situation and his lawyer won't use this law as a defense? Get real. This is the new limit. Unless there is a federal law covering this, in California it is six months. The end.
     
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    What was dumb about it? You kill a security guard shoplifting from a store you will be charged with shoplifting and murder. If you are convicted of both you will do many many years in prison. It doesn't matter if the max penalty for shoplifting is 6 months.
     

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