OT Baseball and Football Coming to Portland?

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  1. Schilly

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    Let's compare to Denver who has an open roof...
    1st day of each month
    April 18%
    May 25%
    June 26%
    July 23%
    Aug 29%
    Sep 21%
    Oct 13%
    Nov 12%
     
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    Again these are really really bad stats when you are talking about an average of nearly 40% into June. We are talking about 40 games into the season.
    This conversation is useless if you can't see there needs to be a roof on the stadium. That is your opinion. Mine simply differs and there is no way i would vote for any tax on a stadium that didn't have a retractable roof so it could also be used in the winter months for other types of venues as well.
     
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    No, it says that only 22% of games even reached a point where they decided that maybe the roof should be shut. Even in the middle of a game. It didn't say that it closed for rain that never materialized, or that there were high winds, or low temps or high temps (which wouldn't stop a game anyway, but if you have a roof, great!).

    Phrased differently, only once in every 5 games was there even a remote chance that there would be rain, low temperatures, high temperatures, high wind, or lightning. That means, over the course of a season, 16 games where there's even a remote chance of having a delay or postponement. And if you don't have a roof, no one cares about playing in light rain, high wind, cold, heat, etc. The game goes on. Even in heavy rain, delays are preferred to the postponement. The most postponed-team in the majors this year was WAS, with 5. CLE, BOS, CHI/CHW, NYY, etc just play through stuff.

    to me, in POR's fiscal and political environment, spending an extra $250M or so on a stadium to get maybe 5 games' worth of non-postponement seems like a non-starter. I love the concept of a roof, and would want one if I was a billionaire building a stadium, but this is a nice-to-have, not a gotta-have, for MLB in PDX
     
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    Explain how 29%, the highest probability in June on the 1st day, is almost 40% into June.... When it drops to 14% by the end of the month.

    And to take it another step... 40 games into the season equates to average of 20 at home so at let's say average of 35% chance April +May there might be 7 game days affected by rain at all... Again that doesn't mean a rain out because that 35% might be a shower in the morning and nothing by game time.
     
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    What winter events are you expecting would be there? The only thing SafeCo does outside baseball season are the occasional CFB Bowl Game or soccer game (before Seahawks Stadium was built), which wouldn't need a roof anyway, and Wrestlemania once. They don't have concerts or monster truck rallies or anything there. In fact, this winter they're completely resodding and re-dirting the field.
     
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    It doesn't rain in Portland. It does everything but:
    • Drizzle
    • Mist
    • sprinkle
    • light showers etc.
    It does this MUCH more than actually rain.
     
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    You went from 47% to 29% over two months. Essentially 40%... Okay 38% average.
     
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    MM brings up a good point, though, in terms of fan comfort. If you had a chance to build a top-of-the-line-ish stadium in a small market, maybe you do want to worry about fan comfort.
    Then again, how much do the TImbers fans care about rain (legit question...never been to a match)?
     
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    40 games into the season equates to average of 20 at home so at let's say average of 38% chance April +May there might be 7.5 game days affected by rain at all... Again that doesn't mean a rain out because that 35% might be a shower in the morning and nothing by game time.
     
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    Why wouldn't we want more events there? Are you saying you don't want them there? Why is this even a point?
    If there is a roof then the CAN have events there. That was the point.
     
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    So what is your point? Why all the problem with a roof on the stadium? Having a retractable roof only makes sense? Why would we even think about not having one?
     
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    Timbers Army does not care about rain. There is that.
     
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    I don't care if they want to build one with a roof, I am just supporting the notion that it being a necessity is horse shit.
     
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    I totally disagree. Absolutely needs to have a roof or it will never get built and too many people will simply not support the team without it. But that again is simply an opinion. I know there is no way a bond passes for a stadium without a roof.
     
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    Fuck Mike Barrett!
     
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    The part I disagree with about your point is that I don't think "roof over baseball field" = more events, like it would at a basketball stadium that doubles for hockey or concerts or something. I can't think of a baseball stadium with a roof that does more than play baseball. Tropicana Field in St. Pete doesn't--concerts are generally held at Buc's stadium or the Lightning's. Safeco doesn't. Minute Maid doesn't--their concerts are at the football stadium or Rockets' stadium. Chase Field is having one concert and one bowl game. Just off the top of my head...
     
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    You are talking about sitting watching a baseball game tomorrow night in Portland Oregon during the NLCS without a roof. Or even better yet. Try that in Mid April. Ridiculous.
     
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    Been to BOS or NYC or CLE or CHW or DEN or ... ?
     
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    But at this point Portland Doesn't have a "Bucs Stadium" or other large venue. Right now all they got is Moda and Safeco (which is not covered) and then there is MC. Again i just don't see your point in not building a venue that can be enclosed. Just makes better all around sense.
     
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    No city should pay for a billionaire's brick and mortar business.
     
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