Science Tax Cut Poll

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What's your situation on the tax cut bill?

  1. I support it and I believe it will make my taxes go down

    7.4%
  2. I support it and I believe it will make my taxes go up

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. I do not support it and I believe it will make my taxes go down

    29.6%
  4. I do not support it and I believe it will make my taxes go up

    29.6%
  5. I support it and I believe it won't change my taxes

    22.2%
  6. I do not support it and I believe it won't change my taxes

    11.1%
  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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  2. bodyman5000 and 1

    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    Gotta pass it to see what's in it?
     
  3. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Look at them. They are all tax rules. Man, am I glad to be retired from accounting. Everything changes every couple of years.

    Ha ha ha! You losers still work? That is so passé. I thought that no one works anymore.
     
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    jonnyboy Well-Known Member

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    You just summarized the entire left beautifully.
     
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    jonnyboy Well-Known Member

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    I'm all for lowering taxes on the working class, but anytime lobbyists are involved im skeptical. I feel like abolishing the healthcare mandate (which is good) might just be the little bone they throw us to shut us up while we get raped everywhere else. Regardless of the plan's contents I'm not happy with the way they rolled it out completely in the dark and written by lobbyists, Obama style.
     
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  6. bodyman5000 and 1

    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    Exactly. With some hand written changes.

    They've really got their shit together in Washington.
     
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    Wait so ill be able to write off religious school tuition? Fuck ya.
     
  8. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    I hate that we're just continuing the trend...

    If you (Congress) wants to spend, tax the shit out of people to pay for it. If you don't want to tax people so you can look good, don't spend what you don't have.

    We have a 20+Trillion credit card balance lined up, and the interest on it is basically what we spend on the DoD and half of what we spend on Medicare/Medicaid overruns. I hate that we can't simplify the tax code, remove the "pay people to be here" loophole. (I understand if you're below a bracket and, with deductions, don't have to pay any taxes. I don't agree that if you, for instance, paid $1000 in taxes and have 2 children that the credits make it that the gov't owes you $1000 back. A refund of taxes paid is one thing. Paying a citizen to be here is something completely different.) If you want to incentivize/de-incentivize things like adoptions or private school education or small business ownership or higher education or whatever, do it outside of the tax laws.

    And for the record, if you believe the sites, I'll have a reduction of between $4k (with the house) and $6k (Senate version) on mine. So it's not like I'm getting hosed and hate the bill.
     
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    Someone has to pay taxes... :)
     
  10. Stevenson

    Stevenson Old School

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    I wonder if it would behoove me to convert my S corp to a C corp?
     
  11. bodyman5000 and 1

    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    We ain't got shit for SALT other than property taxes and some sales tax. I might get more back, will wait and see
     
  12. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I like your idea of doing the incentives outside of tax law, it would be a lot more straightforward. If we want to pay people for having kids or whatever, just send them a check, don't complicate the tax laws.

    However... I don't see how that's any less 'paying someone to be here'. If you get $1000 from the IRS, or get $1000 from the Payments-to-people-with-kids Agency, it's still $1000 from the government to you.

    barfo
     
  13. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

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    There is no Republican tax plan.

    There’s a House plan and a Senate plan.

    They will be combined to create a new tax plan. The Swamp Rat tax plan.

    The House and Senate are comprised almost entirely by the same scumbags on both sides who have been there for decades.

    About 1/3 of the current Congress has been there since before Reagan changed the tax code. Because morons always vote for incumbents.

    Dems Reps want it passed too and have intentionally helped it along by simply sitting out the entire debate. They think this will give them deniability next election.

    Since we still have no idea what the final plan will be this poll is premature.
     
  14. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    How do you reconcile your love of Trump with his love of the Swamp Rat tax plan?

    barfo
     
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    If you get 1000 from the IRS, you can spend it on an iphone or credit card repayments or whatever. If you get 1000 in WIC (which I have no problem expanding) or student loan repayment grants or whatever , I as the taxpayer and the responsible gov't official know that it's going to what the government wants to incentivize or fund. Maybe that frees up cash for you to buy an iphone or whatever, but the intent's being met.
     
  16. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Ok, now I get your point. I too am generally in favor of providing services or indirect payments rather than cash. Although that does usually involve more overhead ("big government").

    barfo
     
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    In my ideal, it would be "more gov't", but actually less overhead (done more at the small-gov't level). When I was on WIC and unemployment for a month and had to go to the case worker in my town I had a much different (and better) customer service experience than when I dial up the government-wide VA hotline or have issues with my military paycheck. Sure, there's a DMV-esque element to it, but that's waaaaaay better than the VA, and how I imagine Medicare/other nationwide health stuff works.
     
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    Haven't seen it yet, but he's already been able to drastically change it for the better from the Ryan Tax Plan, which is a another major victory for Trump supporters.

    Frankly, he's already had the most successful first year in office of ANY US President in my lifetime.

    And the first US President by far to keep so many campaign promises.

    2018 in America is going to be HUGE! :cheers:
     
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    MARIS61 Real American

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    Not against public assistance for all needy American Citizens (people unable to work for a living who need food, clothing and shelter), but Oregon Trail Card users often buy food to trade with their pot dealer or sell to friends for cash for gas money...there's always going to be a way around government making our decisions for us even when they give us tax dollars. Which is a good thing, called Freedom of Choice. No Real American should have to forfeit Constitutional Freedoms in order to receive assistance from their fellow Americans

    I am for drastically tightening the process to qualify for aid, then paying for the aid with as little overhead/bureaucracy as possible.

    College loans are no different than car loans. I see no difference between a Starbucks worker with a Masters in Art History who owes $110,000 on student loans and a Starbucks worker who owes $100,000 on a BMW. They are both buried in debt because they made stupidly frivolous and selfish decisions.

    Why should I pay their debts for them? Do I get to drive the beamer? Do I get to quit work for 8 years and hang out with a bunch of fratboys partying all the time?

    They are not needy Americans, they are needless Americans.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Oh, we agree about that.

    barfo
     

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