How much will Shabazz get?

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  1. Sarni

    Sarni Well-Known Member

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    Utah need him. Rubio is a terrible shooter and they are not very happy with him, Exum is always injured.

    They have wings to trade - one of Hood and Burks has to go. That is a perfect trade scenario.
     
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    Utah need him. Rubio is a terrible shooter and they are not very happy with him, Exum is always injured.

    They have wings to trade - one of Hood and Burks has to go. That is a perfect trade scenario.
     
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    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    It is pretty strange that they're leading their division, and have the 2nd most points in all of the league (tied with LA and St Louis)
     
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    Harkless and Napier for TJ Warren? They’d have to add someone like Ulis to make it work financially.
     
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    That's exactly what I was going to say.
    Maybe as low as $5m.
     
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    I think there’s a fit there with Phoenix for not only Napier, but a couple of our other players. Leonard, Harkless, maybe even Vonleh. They also have cap space to take on contracts.

    As for who we’d be interested from them, TJ Warren, and to a lesser degree Troy Daniels, Monroe/Chandler/Bender.

    A Napier and Harkless for Warren and filler (Ulis) works. Warren is playing well but that’s with Booker out.
     
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    TJ Warren is shooting 18% from 3pt range. You would need to change the coach first before making that move.
     
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    Warren knows his limitations. He barely attempts threes. But he can shoot from midrange, gets easy buckets in the post, and goes to the line.
     
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    A starting five of Dame, CJ, Warren, Collins, and Nurk would be balanced. Three shooters, a legit third scorer in Warren, and a pick and roll/defensive center.
     
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    Neither does ET, but somehow in Stott's system.... they end up taking more.
    TJ is 10-55 this year, ET is 10-45.........
     
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    That’s not a lot.

    Warren is a legit multidimensional scorer. Pick and rolls, post ups, cutter, runner. He scores in every way. Turner..has a midrange fadeaway. You can space the court without having a three point shot. Nobody would sag off Warren like they do Turner. Warren shoots near 50% inside the arc. Turner is closer to 40%. One is efficient. One is not.
     
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    TJ Warren was 40% from three two seasons ago on 1.5 attempts a game (similar to what he is recording now) so although he was not really taking them, he was scoring at a better rate.

    He can get to the rim and has a good mid range. I think he would be good here but it makes no sense for Phoenix to trade for Shabazz now. They could get him for nothing in the Summer, and they do not need him this season because they are clearly not going for the playoffs - they actually want to lose games to get Sexton or Young.
     
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    Shabazz is a restricted free agent, so they’d have to bank on portland not matching, meaning they’d probably have to overpay.

    If someone wants Napier, trading for him is the best route. Gives the team full control.
     
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    They will have loads of cap space and nobody to spend it on for a while as they will not be a popular free agent destination for a while.

    I don't think Napier has great value to teams that don't want to do something this season because you never know how much he is going to get in the Summer from other teams and you may not keep him. He's also not so much use to contending teams IMO as he is more of a scorer and most of them have those already. I think the best destination for him are teams who will be on the verge of making playoffs, will want to get there and need a guard who can shoot. That is why I would narrow down the list of destinations to Sixers, Knicks, Jazz, Bucks, Pelicans and Nuggets.
     
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    Shabazz is our perfect backup point guard. We dont need to trade him we need to trade ET.
     
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    It is not "need" so much as it is who we "can" trade and why? It's likely if Shabazz gets 7 mil per or so we would not match that because of our capspace situation. So unless we move CJ to clear some space or trade ET (cost likely is a 1st rdr) will likely look to move guys who won't be coming back - Ed Davis and Bazz are both possibilities.
     
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    What makes you think we wouldn't match 7M/yr? That's peanuts in today's NBA.
     
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    I would keep Shabazz up to somewhere in the 9 MIL a year average. So unless he hits the 10 mark I try to hold on to him. It would hurt but he is worth it.

    ET needs to be moved at some point. Even more than Leonard imo. If that could done at the deadline I would feel better about our financial situation for next year. If we could move both then I would feel better about being able to keep Vonleh as well. Of course I know salary is coming back but hopefully not quite as much and for quite as long.
     
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    we simply cannot pay a backup PG 9 mil per, not with the previous overpays and on a treadmill team likely fighting for a 7/8 playoff spot, and when we have to pay Nurk. You have to be realistic on what we can/can't do. The only way around this is if we sacrifice a 1st rdr to move ET/Meyers, and on a team devoid of talent sacrificing 1st is not something I'd want to see happen. IMO moving CJ is becoming more and more possible.
     
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    I would move CJ in the right deal. There are certainly avenues for Shabazz to start or play heavy minutes provided we move some combination of ET and/or CJ. But 9 MIL isn't outrageous. We are paying 10 for Leonard who isn't close to starting. We do need to fix past mistakes (via trades if possible) but paying Shabazz isn't a new mistake imo. I don't think Shabbaz reaches 9 MIL by the way just that is the highest I would go.
     
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