Nurk trade Crabbe trade Trading 15 and 20 for 10 Not using the MLE 14 players These are all cost cutting moves.
Exactly, so you agree he’s not going to pay the luxury tax? So what are you even arguing? That he would if we were a contender? I never doubted that.
uh....opinions aren't necessarily arguments y'know? Clearly my opinion is that the luxury tax is not an issue if it means you're getting Lebron to Paul Allen...but Allen Crabbe is no Lebron....Will Barton got moved ....we're in the middle of a rebuild...the money gets shuffled as the talent improves...just their process...the way I see it..they're developing two G league combo guards...two young centers and two young power forwards...on rookie deals...after they test drive them, they'll decide on who to move and who to keep. Meanwhile they will try and improve through trades...our problem is our trade pieces have lost some value early this season except for Meyers
How else do you pay Melo or Paul George? They tried to get both of them and needed roster spots...to me it was a simple tactic..and now they're in plan B mode...I fully expect to see us make trades soon
What are you even talking about? Do you even know at this point? “would’ve needed roster spots to pull it off.” What does that even mean?
I know the difference between a discussion and being baited...you either read an opinion and comment or question my cognitive skills.....you choose plan B...so be it....continue worrying about Paul Allen's bills if you like...I'm not going to
I'm talking about the subject....you're talking about me....and I am having a good day....it's fine to disagree...not fine to judge a person's ability to form a view though
I’m talking about you? What? You’re talking about the subject? What part of accusing me of baiting you is part of the subject? I was honestly trying to understand what the hell you were talking about. “Needing roster spots to pull it off.” I still don’t know what that means. Maybe you’ll answer this time.
Nurk for Plumlee wasn't a cost-cutting move, it was an asset recoupment move. Plumlee a) wasn't going to get paid 14M a year by us last summer, and therefore was going to walk away with nothing in return to the Blazers. Even if Nurkic would've been the second coming of Federico Kammerichs, NO still received a 1st rounder for a player that was not going to be on the roster on July 7 b) by getting a player in his 3rd year instead of his 4th, he got an asset that allowed him another year of analysis on whether he wanted to fork over 15M or so to a center. He didn't do that this summer, he didn't do that in the option window, and he's getting a front-row look at Nurk every night c) if Nurk is the right player to help get us over the bump into "contention" status (top 3 or 4 in the West), I agree that PA won't worry about some tax dollars. If he isn't the right player at the right price point, NO has shown that he'll get rid of him (see: Crabbe, Allen) I'm not saying there haven't been cost-cutting moves (which I would call "being smart" and "delaying the repeater status another year if possible"--again, "being smart"), but I don't think this is the Jeffrey Luria Florida Marlins or the Sterling Clippers or anything.
And to the OP, if Shabazz (or any of the other FAs-to-be, for that matter) isn't the right player at the right projected price point, they may be gone as well. As a fan, I sure hope they're looking at deals. As stated ad nauseum, one of the primary reasons that we have ET, Meyers, Mo and (used to have) Crabbe at waaay-over-value deals is because we didn't have a stockpile of rookie-contract players at the 6-12 spots. If Baldwin (or any other PG we can pick up for "Cash Considerations" like we did with Shabazz or a top-55-protected pick like Mo) can approximate the value that the team needs from a guy about to make 10M a year for one making 800k, that's just good business. GSW didn't become GSW by spending profligately. Their core and backups were on below-value deals, which allowed them to get Iggy originally (and keep him on a below-value deal later) and famously get Durant. While we may have had the flexibility to get Melo or PG this summer with our current roster, we all can see that HOU couldn't.
Crabbe trade happened AFTER the George & Melo trades. You can't claim they moved him to be able to go after either of them....
I'm not claiming anything of the sort...I'm citing the process this last season and offseason...they tried to improve the team...I said they shuffled the deck and with all the guys under contract, needed to open up roster spots to upgrade....also signed two two way rookies to friendly deals...Crabbe was moved as I said due to his disappointing production last season and in the playoffs...they wanted him gone period...since the Plumlee trade we've been a team in flux...and I truly believe we're trying to trade right now.
Exactly. Blazers as currently constructed are not good enough to 'Win Now', therefore money is an issue for the current team. The recent moves support this.
trades change all that...we're not winning now and they know it..we know it. ..we also know there's a cap and a luxury tax...my point all along is Paul Allen will pay a luxury tax for the right players...we have expiring contracts as well
Sure looks to me like you were claiming that they moved Crabbe to be able to go after Melo & George. Crabbe's trade was after the other two were moved & completely independent.
good catch...my mistake there...I should have said to go after players like melo and George but I wasn't intending specifics...just talent upgrades ..they were the guys we targeted...Crabbe was just going to be moved for pretty much being lethargic
