Kyle Kuzma and Jordan Bell tonight

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  1. BonesJones

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    How does he adjust for being too short and unathletic?
     
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    So that means Swanigan is going to be good? You're grasping at straws.
     
    BonesJones, Dec 26, 2017
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    Dame also thought Meyers would be a good Draft choice and wanted 'Melo to come to Portland this summer. Not sure I'd put a lot of stock in him as a Player/GM.
     
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    #Facts

    26 other teams passed on Kuzma.

    "When you looked at Kuzma in college, you'd see stretches where it's like, "Oh man, this kid is good, he's skilled and he's talented,'' Green said after a recent overtime win over the Lakers. "Then you'd see some stretches where it looked like he wasn't interested at all, which is why he was the 27th pick and not a top-10 pick. A lot of people are beating themselves in the head now. But even when you looked at it, you can't be like, "Oh man, this kid is a top-10 pick.' Sometimes this kid didn't look interested.''

    They're here. When people harp on Neil they aren't using perspective.

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    Just like Isaiah adjusts his game for being 5'9". You figure it out.
     
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    Ask Zach Randolph
     
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    Yeah, that's Zach Randolph skill. I don't see any flashes of the craftiness of Zach in Caleb.
     
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    LMAO. Isaiah Thomas isn't unathletic. If he was he wouldn't be in the league.
     
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    Nor do i, but that should be on a tape for him daily
     
    Mediocre Man, Dec 27, 2017
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    How did Zach Randolph?

    Edit, beat me to it @Mediocre Man.
     
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    I think it's an unteachable skill.

    Still, Zach was always inefficient and didn't defend well. Calebs best case scenario is a player that doesnt really help his team.
     
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    But Collins' is a big with no weaknesses?
     
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    Were talking about Swanigan vs. Randolph...?
     
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    Just pointing out how this forum thinks. Caleb in summer league and pre season was the steal of the draft, now he has struggled in limited minutes and his best case is a player who doesnt help his team? Collins playing ok in limited minutes, and he's a big with no weanesses? Maybe give them both a little time.
     
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    Probably not reasonable to apply Bones' statements to the entire forum.

    I disagree with the assessment of Swanigan. His and Randolph's games are quite different; he (as stated) doesn't have Randolph's skill/touch/footwork (butt-work) around the rim, and likely never will, but he's also already shown more shooting range than Randolph ever had, and is arguably already as good a passer as Randolph has ever been. If he can develop his J to be reliable, he can absolutely be a valuable PF, but given his inherent deficits in height, footspeed, and athleticism, I don't see him reaching quality-starter (ie, top 20 at his position) status, despite his clearly indomitable work ethic and drive.

    Collins, however, has natural gifts that Swanigan simply doesn't have, so it's not unfair to say that he has a significantly higher ceiling. Yes, many of those same "advantages" are applicable to MyLe as well, but many are not, such as lateral quickness, defensive acumen, and overall BBIQ. It is not unreasonable to say that his ceiling is "a big with no weaknesses", because (unlike Swanigan and Meyers) he hasn't displayed any inherent traits that are likely to hinder him at the NBA level.
     
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    I never claimed Swanigan to be the steal of the draft. I bought the koolaid on Swanigan for a bit but his recent struggles reminded me why I didn't like him as a pick in the first place.

    I've been saying this about Collins before he got minutes.
     
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    You never claimed either. Please don't think im attacking you. Just pointing out what ive read
     
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    Randolph was so quick. That's the biggest difference, and I don't think Swanigan can really change that. ZBO was deceptively fast for his size, and he had a very quick first step. That's what got him by. His offensive skill was very raw, but his feel for the game around the basket was extremely good right off the bat. Plus he was an insanely good rebounder because of that quickness.

    Swanigan is nothing like Randolph.
     
    Natebishop3, Dec 28, 2017
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    Swanigan will be nothing like Randolph in his prime.

    But he could be like Randolph now. Zach has lost some quickness and does more outside work now (besides his rebounding prowless).

    But I think Caleb tops out as a slightly better Ike Diogu or Craig The Rhino Smith which is like 8th man type max but that is ok. Some draft picks will be out the of the league after 3 years. Caleb is going to have a role on a team for 10 years. Just not likely a starting role.
     
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    Judging Caleb now is crazy. Some bigs take longer than others. He needs time to adjust to the NBA. He wasn't a lottery pick and he has several players in front of him that at this time are better. We can wait until next season to see how he's developed over the summer. He has a great work ethic and seems to have a high bbiq, that's at least something to work with unlike some other draft picks.
     
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