Kevin Love - Possible?

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  1. LayneStaley

    LayneStaley Well-Known Member

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    I totally forgot that message boards were no place for opinions. Thank you
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    If you don't want your opinions to be debated, use more facts to describe how you came to your conclusion. :dunno:
     
  3. LayneStaley

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    You really think cj offers 12 mil more in value per year than kemba though...?
     
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    Please reply with only facts that support your answer.
     
  5. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    No, of course there is no rule against it. I personally encourage differing opinions. It's the basis for discussion, and this is a discussion group. Disagreement is the coal that makes this train roll. If we all agreed, this forum would be a ghost town.

    My problem, and the reason I called you out, was you stated an opinion as if it were an irrefutable fact. If you go back and re-read your subsequent replies, you'll see than I'm not the only one that disagrees with your original statement (every other team in the league has at least 1 player better than C.J.). You disagree with yourself. You have modified and qualified your original hyperbolic statement multiple times. But no matter how you try to spin it, even you admit that it's simply not true.

    So, no problem with differing opinions, but if you state something that isn't true, or is a blatant exaggeration to try to overstate your point, expect to be called to task. In the end, it just weakens your case and undermines the credibility of your position.

    BNM
     
  6. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    You keep confusing better player with better value. C.J. is a better player. Kemba is a better value.

    BNM
     
  7. riverman

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    c'mon bro...everybody's posts are wrought with opinions....if people are in a pub talking hoops, they don't bring internet stats or articles supporting their opinions...nor should they need to prove these opinions.
     
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    Advanced Stats comparison for the 2017-18 Season

    PER - CJ (17.6) & Kemba (20.6) - Advantage to Kemba
    TS% - CJ (0.547) & Kemba (0.546) - No Advantage
    TRB% - CJ (6.1) & Kemba (5.3) - Advantage to CJ
    AST% - CJ (15.4) & Kemba (29.3) - Advantage to Kemba
    STL% - CJ (1.4) & Kemba (1.7) - Advantage to Kemba
    BLK% - CJ (0.8) & Kemba (0.8) - No Advantage
    TOV% - CJ (8.6) & Kemba (9.9) - Advantage to CJ
    OWS - CJ (2.7) & Kemba (3.1) - Advantage to Kemba
    DWS - CJ (1.6) & Kemba (1.5) - Advantage to CJ
    WS - CJ (4.3) & Kemba (4.7) - Advantage to Kemba
    WS/48 - CJ (0.120) & Kemba (0.147) - Advantage to Kemba
    OBPM - CJ (1.9) & Kemba (4.5) - Advantage to Kemba
    DBPM - CJ (-1.1) & Kemba (-1.0) - Advantage to Kemba
    BPM - CJ (0.8) & Kemba (3.5) - Advantage to Kemba
    VORP - CJ (1.2) & Kemba (2.1) - Advantage to Kemba

    MPG - CJ (36.3) & Kemba (34.7)
    USG% - CJ (26.1) & Kemba (27.5)

    Stats borrowed from:
    https://www.basketball-reference.com/
     
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    No there was zero confusion there, he asked me if I thought kemba was better and I answered his post with they are probably a wash. I then asked him if cj offered 12 mil more of value.
     
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    this is not for you to dictate bro.......use all the facts you like but opinions have value and I welcome them
     
  11. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Your original hyperbole mentioned nothing about value. You keep trying to change to the argument.

    You're original statement was that every other team has at least one player better than C.J.

    Charlotte does not (nor does SAC, ATL, BRK, or several others).

    You want facts: www.basketball-reference.com. Knock yourself out.

    BNM
     
  12. LayneStaley

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    I was being sarcastic, I’m not here to have the nba reference guide dictated to me.
     
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    I don't agree with him about this but so what....he has the right to express his opinion about CJ...the simple response would be simply...I disagree
     
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    Probably not.
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    I should've worded that differently. Using opinions as facts is the problem.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    It's not a wash. Statistically, C.J. is a better player. Your original claim was that every team in the league has at least one player better than C.J. Change the question and of course the answer changes.

    So, of course, Kemba is a better value. He signed his extension before he had a breakout season and before the summer of 2016 and all the ridiculous contracts handed out that summer. It's unfortunate for Kemba that he was both a late bloomer and was born too soon to be a free agent at that exact right moment in history, but of all the contracts handed out during the summer of 2016, C.J. is one of the few players who has played well enough to justify his contract.

    BNM
     
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    That post has nothing to do with my 27 teams having better players, he asked me if I thought Kenmba was better and I answered him. The follow up question regarding his opinion on if cj was worth more than 12 mil more than kemba was a separate thought...ok?
     
  18. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Since when is this forum about simple responses? It would be a pretty boring place if all the replies were I agree and I disagree.

    BNM
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    I have yet to see anyone disagree that Kemba is a better value. I have yet to see a shred of evidence that he's a better player.

    BNM
     
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    It's pretty boring beating a dead horse about a difference of opinion...the guy just got here and he's already labeled a Tunchi...I don't think he's getting a fair shake ...that's all...there are several posters, you included who are excellent stat guys and provide detailed comparisons...not everyone is that guy nor needs to be...what I see is contentiousness more than discourse in this case
     
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