Paying them off instead of fighting them saved lives and cost less. We shouldn’t have been fighting in the first place, but you never know how that would have turned out.
But on the other hand, it is a rather odd take for you to make Sly. Since you do know me some, what exactly gives you the thought that I would cry? Or is it simple like you think old white men should just be quite and take what ever shit comes their way? Care to expand?
There is a big problem with that approach though Denny. It is not at all the same and paying for property value lost in correcting a wrong. It is more like paying a ransom to the bully. He will just want more.
Picking on a first generation immigrant, who was orphaned by war, and who grew up in no better lot than the present day blacks you seem intent on coddling. What the fuck is your logic here?
I have some questions about your concept, Denny. 1) did all the federal and state money that went into buying "projects" in inner cities count against that 20 acres and mules? B/c that didn't come for free, and it didn't set up the oppressing white man with low-rent housing. 2) I'm not sure it's easy (or that I would respect someone if it was that easy) to say "Here's (100k or whatever). Never say the words "slavery, racism or N***er again. We're done here." 3) The issue to me doesn't seem to be that there is currently systemic bias against people of color (I humbly submit that it's never been easier to be a PoC in America as it is today, though obviously not perfect), but that we as a government/populace throw money at problems instead of setting up relationships with people. Giving Somali women in West Seattle 25k would've just ensured that some slumlord dick would've gotten an influx of cash and the women and their families would be back in shitholes quickly. But setting up training programs, assimilation training, etc. makes it so that they can use their drive and work ethic and ingenuity to make their own way in life, instead of being a "handout victim".
Since you asked, my father also also immigrated to this country. Something that I have mentioned a few times on here. One time I was sharing a few stories of people being jackholes to my father only because of his accent and Marazul said it sounded like I was crying. I wasn't crying at all but I did think that comment was rather offensive. He didn't. So I decided to try out a similar comment today on his post. Nice to see that you agree it was offensive. No idea what you mean about coddling black people.
I didn't remember that. As for the "coddling", I have a (legit, I don't have stance on it) question. Growing up in POR, CA and South Puget Sound, and as a military brat, I went to school and befriended many immigrants, many people of color and many from cultures that were alien to me. I never really knew anyone from the southern black culture until I joined the military, when I found that on a whole ton of things ("family values", military service, "American Exceptionalism") we were very much on the same page. But I would ask "how come 90+ of the black vote is for (D)? I mean, I probably can't get 90% of white people to agree that Hitler is bad or that we should show football on Sundays, but 90% of the African-American vote is guaranteed for the (D) party, even for scrubs like Mondale and Dukakis." And many of the very intelligent and worldly men I talked to would say "it's because of messaging. The (R) party says 'let's go back to the 50's and family values and such' and we think 'the 50's were pretty messed up for us.'" I absolutely get that. But the 1880's were pretty messed up for Chinese immigrants. The 1940's weren't great for Japanese descendants. The 1970's weren't awesome for Vietnamese and Cambodians in Portland and Seattle. But it seems as if the black community (and to a worse extent, the Native American community) are doing way worse societally than Vietnamese or Irish or even Latin immigrants....why is that? Is it that only those of really dark pigmentation were systematically oppressed? Serious question...happy for any feedback.
From my experience growing up in NE Portland up until this latest generation the black community looked to their community churches and church leaders for representation socially and politically. Many churches would get money from the government to start, fund, and operate social programs for their communities. Dem politicians have always had a soft spot for funding programs like this. With funds comes demand for support. "If I fund your program I expect an endorsement and campaign support." From the pulpit to the polling place.
If I was to buy that, though (and I don't have any reason not to), why isn't the black community more prosperous after receiving these grants and loans and business starts and such?
I remember you telling of your father having troubles because of being an immigrant. Then what you attribute to me, either did not happen, or some other chit did. It is not something I would say. I had empathy for your story. But what can I say? Surely you do not want me to say, I am sorry for something I don't think I said? I will say, I wish you did not think I said such a thing. I sure did not intend to and can't even imagine what the hell happened to make you think I did.
I don't know. The neighborhood I grew up in, NE Portland Blvd, between Alberta Park and Dekum Park, was a nice mix of middle class white and black families. If you really want to know about the history of blacks in Portland I suggest you listen to this - https://www.missedinhistory.com/podcasts/the-vanport-flood.htm
No, my father has had great success being an immigrant here. I shared a few stories of people being jerks to him which you took as me crying, now you're trying to say that my father was trouble? Not even close.
What the fuck is wrong with you? I never said an such thing! But the picture is beginning to clear up? For some reason you want to think I said offensive things. Wrong Son! Never had any intention of doing so. As a matter of fact, once when I invited you to come to the boat, you were with your father or doing something with him. Cool, I was going to invite you to bring him with you but you shut the thing down, not me. In fact your words about him made hims seem like an up standing fellow, the sort man you like to meet. Now, you can back up and reevaluate, or let the sore in your heart fester. Your choice.
