Trade Blazers trade away Noah Vonleh

The money binge in 2016 was a factor, but more so was drafting two other PFs last summer. Collins is the team’s future at that position. They wouldn’t have spent money on Noah regardless.

 

Big time! Totally mismanaged Harkless and Vonleh.

 

The team would have had to pay far more in LT if they had kept Vonleh. You don’t know that there were deals available to offload Aminu’s bigger contract, even if you are correct that Noah has more long term potential.

 

There were starters that went for second rounders, so I don’t know how we would’ve gotten more for Vonleh than we did, even if he played.

And who cares that “we” payed Chicago? It has no affect on Portland’s cap.

 

Surely you don't think this is correct. Ed is a league leader in rebounding off the bench, and a very effective NBA player. Vonleh isn't.

 

LOL... Your blind hate for Aminu makes you think we should have kept Vonleh and what, pay him....??

Aminu is 3x the player Vonleh is...

Please stop with this crap narrative...

 

Actually, Ed might not be a bad comparison so I looked into Ed's last 17 games to compare to Aminu's 17 games during that stretch that that Vonleh got minutes last year.

MP - 20.2 (V - 23.8, A - 29.1)
ORtg 123.3 (V - 126.4, A - 96.2)
DRtg 108.6 (V - 106.9, A - 106.1)
RPG - 7.8 (V - 8.3, A - 7.4)
PPG - 6.2 (V - 7.4, A - 8.7)
FG% - 43-66 for .651 (V - .598, A - .393) Davis taking 3.9 shots per game, Vonleh 5.1
FT% - 22-34 for .647 (V - .744, A - .706)
3Pt% - 0 on no attempts. (V - .350, A - .330)
Age - Davis 28, Aminu 27, Vonleh 23

Vonleh is the most versatile defender of the three because although he is not as tough as Davis down low, is certainly better on the perimeter. I think he is about equal to Aminu on the perimeter with even quicker feet and certain has the most strength.

The more I look at this, the more I think they traded the wrong guy.

 

No. Just no.

 

I thought the sarcasm was clear.
But Vonleh was a very good rebounder and defender, too.

 

Vonleh holds up pretty good given that he only really got one small stretch of solid minutes...in which he was well over those numbers.

 

Except Aminu makes twice as much as Vonleh which almost assuredly would’ve meant salary coming back the other way, especially since a rebuilding team probably wouldn’t have interest.

 

You post numbers. I use the eye test.

How come we couldn't get a 2nd round pick for a former lottery pick???

I bet you could get a 2nd rounder for Aminu.

 

I agree the trade would have been more difficult. It was more about Vonleh's production when given consistent, solid minutes and how he did versus other players at his position.

 

Yeah I liked Vonleh more than Aminu at the four but I think Noah’s fate was sealed when they drafted Biggie. Tracking those two careers should be interesting. Time will tell if Portland stuck with the right one.

 

Jimmy Buttler or Paul George still don't make us championship contenders.

There's not a 'magic bullet' out there. Portland has to climb the mountain one step at a time. They need to incrementally improve their overall talent level.

The notion that if a potential trade target doesn't make us a championship contender, therefore there's no point in trading for him is mind blowing stupidity.

 

I disagree. George would've made us a contender. Butler wouldn't, just because it would've cost us CJ.

Agree with the rest.

 

Noah's biggest improvement was on the defensive side. He was quick enough to guard multiple positions, his screens were some of the best on the team and he was one of the few guy's who would dive for loose balls.

Offensively he was hesitant to shoot which hurt his playing time.

It's not all his fault though, our offense is guard dominant and anyone not named Dame or CJ is supposed to look for them at all times. It's just the way this team is coached.

I would have rather seen biggie traded along with Hark etc. Oh well. Life goes on.

 

Very well stated.

 

Not sure about Noah vs. Biggie. If we switched their salaries, it's likely Biggie would have been traded. We didn't trade Vonleh because he was the "right one to be traded", but because he's the one we could trade.