Post-deadline Olshey Keep or Fire

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What to do with Olshey?

  1. Keep Him

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  2. I don't know/On the fence

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  3. Fire Him

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  1. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    If you can improve the team you do it. We need wings but were not going to acquire one we need with two 2nds. We could've had our backup C for the next 5 years if we made that trade. Would allow us flexibility in deciding what to do with Davis.

    We're in a position where we have to improve our team even if it's marginally and not at the most pressing need. Hernangomez was the type who, with additional playing time, could showcase his talent enough to become a big piece in a trade down the road for a wing.
     
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    We offered Parsons a max deal, and he turned it down to play for the same amount in Memphis. He was our top free agent target.
     
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    Lol. we're fucked at back up center? You mean there is not ever going to be another opportunity to find a back up center? We also haven't had the best luck with Spaniards either. By the way, Davis loves it here and I have a strong suspicion he will be in Portland next year.
     
  4. BonesJones

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    I feel like he'll be back too but he and Hernangomez can play together. We'll have the taxpayer MLE next year so yeah, we could find someone for ~$5M, I just don't think we can pay Davis a ton because of our financial situation and if he gets offered a better contract from elsewhere, I don't know if he'll stay here.

    But Hernangomez is better than Davis. This dude is straight up legit. I'm all about trading for guys the other team undervalues, because hypothetically, if you make enough trades for players that our better than the package you're sending out, you can turn a 2nd round pick into a legit starter. (ex. We traded a heavily protected 2nd for Bazz and Moe, you could potentially trade those for a good starter who's undervalued by his team, get that guy performing up to his capabilities [think someone like Tobias Harris this year], and then flip him for a star [Blake Griffin]).

    We have to increase our asset level. Hernangomez would've done that. I'm sure that there's others that would've done that that might not have been as good but would've fit better with our rotation.
     
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    I was reflecting while reading through these posts that Olshey has actually gotten really lucky on his misses. Guys he's gone after oftentimes are actual garbage: Parsons, ET, Hibbert, Enis Kanter (relative to his contract and he's having an alright year in NY), freaking Greg Monroe, Afflalo...the list goes on. We'd be hating life if he'd been more "successful." I mean, if Olshey hadn't drafted Damian Lillard, he'd have been fired already. Dame is his one gem and has buoyed Olshey along (I know CJ is good, but if just CJ Olshey is fired, and if just Dame he's probably still got a job).
     
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    Reading through this forum there is plenty to choose from to become a new soap opera star. :devilwink:
     
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    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    Ain't none of them look like that. If there is, lemme know.
     
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    We will be under the luxury tax going into the off season next year which adds more flexibility.
     
  9. BonesJones

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    And Hernangomez could potentially keep us under the luxury tax for next season as well depending on the moves we make. He'll be $6M cheaper than Davis, younger with more upside, and just as good.
     
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    HermanGomez averages 9mpg for a team that is 10 games under .500. If he couldn't get time in New York, why would he get time here?
     
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    Hey Cuppy good to see ya here, hope all is well. What's funny (I think) is I forget my old O-live handle!:confused: Hah, just remembered - "Surge"
     
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    The media ran that story but Olshey said it wasn't like that after the ET signing....we met with his agent...I'm looking for that interview...Dallas offered him a deal
     
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    That was "reported"...they had a meeting in LA...Parsons headed for Memphis ...Olshey said it was a due diligence meeting but ET was their plan A all along..Dallas media was in the mix at the same time...my take was the meeting didn't thrill anyone involved...several articles pumped up the narrative though
     
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    Huh. That's what i get for using Oregonlive as my source.
     
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    My point was why can’t Paul Allen outbid one of the 5 teams with the best general managers and get one of them here? It can’t be about money, I wonder if Paul just has his fingers in the cake too much and would rather have a puppet.
     
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    Hernangomez didn't play for a bad team AND was given away for a couple 2nd rounders. Don't you think it's possible he just isn't that good? He didn't get playing time because of his bad defense but you are trying to claim he is a good defender. You are also basing per-36 stats off of garbage time stat stuffing on a bad team.
     
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    Props, we've had this conversation many times but how do you know that all of those misses were completely legit?

    1) You never know how people would play in a different system (for example Robin Lopez).

    2) You don't know if some of that interest were favors to agents or to screw over other teams or some other reason.

    3) I don't believe that meeting with a player always means that we are for sure offering that player a max contract or whatever. In a meeting sometimes you can determine if that person is a good fit personality wise not just basketball wise.

    One thing I think of when we talk about this is the Paul George situation. Paul George's agent is Aaron Mintz. Do you know who else has the same agent? Allen Crabbe, Meyers Leonard, and Ed Davis. Olshey's previous dealings with Mintz could lead to a strong indication on whether or not PG would be willing to consider staying past this season if traded for.

    Now I'm not saying that most of those guys weren't legit targets I just think it's really stupid to keep rehashing things that didn't even happen. Signing any one of those guys completely changes the course from that moment on. For example, if OKC didn't match on Kanter we wouldn't have money for Turner and so on.
     
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    Because NYK has two very, very good centers I Manger and KOQ, and had their sights set on a playoff spot up until recently. Hernangomez's production isn't why he wasn't playing much, and his production has been constant across 1500+ career minutes.
     
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    If Turner was their plan A he needs to be fired just for that.
     
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