Stop using hindsight as part of your argument. It doesn't help. Several people in this forum did not want one or more of those players signed to the ridiculous ass contracts they were signed to. And that was before they were actually signed.
Several out of how many? I also don't recall the few who were against it providing an alternative at the time. But I could be wrong.
There is truth to what you say but there is also a lot of hindsight used about past trades and what not. And honestly every move by every GM since I have been around these boards has been hated by ohhh 60% of posters on this board.
Even if the alternative to matching Crabbe and signing Turner was simply bringing in D-League prospects to fill their spot, we'd have been better off.
Check the archives. There were several people flat out against some of the signings while some were hesitant giving ridiculous $$$ to some of the players.
There were good discussions and objective points made in some of the threads leading up to that free agency period. I feel like you're dismissing those individuals by instantly inputting "hindsight" into your argument each time.
How am I being passive aggressive? Some people are fine with simply making the playoffs. That's the truth... I HATED the Turner signing. So no hindsight there. Was on the fence on Meyers for that contract. It's not all hindsight. It just seems like we have different definitions for success. Being able to compete in any playoff series and contend for a WCF is successful to me. We haven't been there in a decade and a half.
Ohhh fore sure. There was a strong voice in these boards ohh 12 years ago who's only concern was simply making the playoffs, they wanted to trade Lottery picks each and every year because of the un proven nature of a draft pick, and playoffs is success. I suspect you were young enough you weren't hanging out in these forums.
If we didn't use the cap space, we'd have several less players, or they'd be replaced by vet minimum at best. Not only did they use the cap space to sign two players, they swapped cap space in 2016 for cap space in 2017 (by not declining the option on Ezeli). As you suggest (then somehow want to ignore), they did sign their own free agents. Plus they got the benefit of using near 100% of the available salary under the LT (and even over the LT for a 50+ games), which is ideal until you're ready to start the LT clock (3 of last 4 seasons rules/penalties). It's a fact of life that you cannot sign all your players to contract extensions and still have 2 or 3 near MAX salaried players. Boo hoo, someone has to be let go. So your denial of the fact that was "use it or lose it" is rejected.
Sorry, but that's nonsense. No D League prospect is going to contribute what either of those players have. All it would do is make the team less competitive.
You can argue it, but wouldn't be able to prove it. That's the tough thing about going back in time on stuff like that, in fact it's tough period because as fans we have very little clue about why things don't end up happening the way we think they should.
Bones, I haven't been here very long but I think you're a better poster than to write a crappy sentence like this. I am absolutely not happy or content with just making the playoffs every year. I want to contend. I believe moves can be made to better this team despite what happened in 2016. I also think that Olshey did a pretty fantastic job of building a team around Aldridge his first 3 years and is now trying to build a team around Lillard. I wish there was a shortcut to success but there isn't. I wish this team was good enough to win a title this year but when being realistic there aren't any moves Olshey can make or could've made to make us better than a 73 win team that added the 2nd best player in the world to that roster. Now you obviously don't see much potential for this roster. I was pissed when we traded up for Collins. I was praying that the reports were wrong and that we were going to take Donovan Mitchell instead. I still can't believe Denver made that stupid trade with Utah for the 13th pick either. I was also super high on OG Anunboy (starting for Toronto) and Jonathan Jeanne (who unfortunately was diagnosed with Marfan Syndrome right before the draft). I was fine with the Swanigan pick too as I still believe he can be a solid bench player on a good team. As for Collins I really like what I see defensively in terms of being in the right spots and going straight up to effect shots. He seems quick enough to be able to stay at PF long term and in my opinion we should keep him there to make teams adjust to us instead of always adjusting small to other teams. I haven't given up on Nurk yet. He worked incredibly hard last summer to get into better physical condition. Losing that much weight in a short amount of time makes you weaker until you can turn what's left into muscle. I expect him to be much better next year because this off-season he can work on getting more cut muscles. The game still moves too fast for him but when it slows down and everything clicks then I hope he's still on this roster. Long term I project the starters to be Dame, CJ, Collins, and Nurk. That just leaves SF as the major upgrade needed. So in my opinion you can get lucky with just one draft pick and hit a home run. If a trade ever presents itself then that works too (almost happened last summer with PG13).
What's the point? It's all speculative (even if I based it on Turner and Crabbe's negative BPM's). Those who want to defend the summer of 2016 will write off any argument as wholly fanciful. It would accomplish nothing.
I agree. And this is why is stupid to call people stupid for their opinion of 2016 and/or this team. Not saying you called anyone stupid, or their opinions stupid, but there are several on your side of the fence that are not representing your side very maturely. Glad at least you and I see the point in there being no point in continuing.
We wouldn't be any worse on the floor... But we'd have a lot more flexibility going forward than we do now.
