Politics Mueller indicts 13 Russian nationals for US election meddling

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  1. stampedehero

    stampedehero Make Your Day, a Doobies Day Staff Member Moderator

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    They are Russian. If I lived in that country, any indictment over 10 is usually true. Less than 10 is fake news.
     
  2. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    The alleged hacking is Mueller's mandate. You can bring up all the irrelevant crap you want, but it doesn't make you look smart.
     
  3. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    This is hilarious.

    "This has nothing to do with hacking." (no one said it did.)

    "Hey, speaking of hacking this has nothing to do with it!" (again, no one said it did.)

    "But if this has nothing to do with hacking then why do I keep bringing up hacking?" (because you're confused.)
     
  4. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-16/russia-responds-absurd-election-meddling-allegations

    Russia Responds To "Absurd" Election Meddling Allegations
    The indictment of 13 Russian nationals and three entities over allegations by the DOJ that Russians interfered in US elections - but "did not alter the outcome of the 2016 election" nor that any American was a knowing participant in this activity - are absurd, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Friday.

    "13 people interfered in the US elections?! 13 against an intelligence services budget of billions? Against intelligence and counterintelligence, against the latest developments and technologies? Absurd? Yes," Zakharovawrote in a post on Facebook.

    Then again, what else could she say.

    Furthermore, as noted in the DOJ complaint, the funding for the Russian operation came from catering and management companies controlled by defendant Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin, a Russian businessman often referred to as "Putin's chef" in the media because his organizations had hosted dinners for Russian President Vladimir Putin and foreign leaders, the AP reported.

    Prigozhin was quoted in Russian state media responding to the indictments, saying, "Americans are really impressionable people. They see what they want to see. I greatly respect them. I’m not upset at all that I am on this list. If they want to see the devil, let them see him."

    This probably means that Russia will not exactly rush to extradite the 13 named officials to the US. Although, judging by the pic below, one is already deeply embedded within US society...

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  5. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    And you posted twice about Trump's comments ABOUT HACKING.

    :crazy:
     
  6. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Oh god, you are confused. Here, let me clear that up for you. Here is Mueller's mandate:

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  7. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    You're the confused one.

    The hacking is the only actual crime.

    Posting on social media, even using bots, is.. you know.. freedom of speech.
     
  8. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    No, the quotes I posted clearly say "Meddling"

    M-e-d-d-l-i-n-g.

     
  9. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Hacking is the major claim against the Russians. The only actual crime. It is part of their alleged meddling.

    You're really confused and distracted by shiny things.

    http://www.newsweek.com/russia-collusion-trump-putin-moscow-kremlin-manafort-kushner-mueller-654216


    So what underlying crime could Mueller be investigating? One obvious possibility is hacking the Democratic National Committee and subsequently releasing emails from it via WikiLeaks. Hacking U.S. servers is a crime that is frequently investigated and prosecuted—I handled some of those cases myself. Anyone who agreed to take part in an effort to hack the DNC’s servers committed a crime.

    An American could join a Russian conspiracy to hack U.S. servers without ever speaking to the hackers, as long as they knew about the criminal activity and agreed to play a role in it. Conspirators don’t have to know everyone or everything involved a plot—once you join a conspiracy, you’re “all in” and are liable for all foreseeable acts of the other conspirators.

    For example, an American who knew about a hacking operation and agreed to distribute or use stolen material could join a conspiracy without knowing the hackers or how the hacking took place. That person could also be charged with abetting the hacking if distributing the stolen material aided in the crime.

    That explains why a recent New York Times report that a Ukrainian hacker is helping the FBI with the Russia probe could be important. In order to charge anyone with a crime connected with the Russian hacking, Mueller will first need to prove that the hacking occurred. The testimony of the hacker could establish that the crime occurred, who was responsible for it and how it happened.

    The more difficult thing for Mueller to prove is whether an American knowingly joined a Russian criminal conspiracy or aided in one. That’s why recent report sthat Mueller is focused on Donald Trump Jr.’s meeting with a Russian lawyer is unsurprising, given the emails Trump Jr. released establish that he knew Moscow wanted to help his father’s campaign and he welcomed the assistance.

    As I told The New York Times, that email string is not sufficient to prove that Trump Jr. joined a conspiracy. Again, Mueller needs to prove that Trump Jr. helped commit a crime or agreed to do so.
     
  10. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    The DOJ disagrees.

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  11. Denny Crane

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    It's trivial to get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.

    They still have to prove there was a crime committed.
     
  12. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    One obvious possibility does not mean that is the only crime that is being investigated.

    Here, let me show you what Mueller's mandate is again since you still seem to be confused.

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  13. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    You have a problem reading english, apparently.

    I'm done with your silly trolling.
     
  14. MarAzul

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    Wow! That order 35-15 is a flawed piece of work.

    The assistant AG is not charged with conducting international relations. The President is. It makes no sense at all to do this work with respect to any country as a legal item. Unless that is determined to be the most wise course, and the assistant AG alone is not the man to make that call.
    He should be fired for assuming this role.
     
  15. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Actually you're the one who has demonstrated many times in this thread that you are very confused.
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    This is an indictment for crimes that took place inside the United States. This has nothing to do with "conducting international relations". Also Rosenstein very clearly cleared the Trump campaign in his press conference today. Not sure why you would fire him for that.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    That's what Denny Nunes said too, but I'm quite happy with these indictments. Why wouldn't I be?

    barfo
     
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    Of course it is International Relations! And if Russian actually intend as a nation to interfere with our elections, then the appropriate action plan should be implemented. That unlikely includes a special counsel, nor any other willy nilly loose cannon work. It is doubtful that informing your enemy, (if we have one) what you know and plan to do, prior to execution is a wise course of action.
     

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